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Yellow Bamboo Challenge

Atlas said:
This sounds like Frazier not answering the bell when Ali tired him out using the Ropa-Dope and letting Frazier punch himself out. One thing about Ali - He could take a punch.

You sound like you have the same supernatural power that Mohammed Ali had.

Is it any bigger than that? Is it possible that an attacker could use a baseball bat or brass knuckles? What I'm asking is if there is anything beyond endurance and, pardon the expression, masochism, that you you employ? A mental force shield or a telepathic disrupter command that disables the opponent? - that kind of thing. Or are you inviting Larsen to a game of dodge punch, where he tries to punch you in the chest and you try to dodge his punches until he's tired?
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Right! A more fair test would be: I will chain your ankles to the ground, chain your hands behind your back, then repeatedly hit you in the head with a steel pipe. If your ankles and hands are still chained and I fall down unconscious without you becoming unconscious or possibly dying first, then you've probably got something.
 
www.yellowbamboo.net/knockingdown
this has nothing to do with the randi challenge. previously my larsen has open challenged yellow bamboo.

he has said he would get angry, run at the yb practitioner
and hit him as hard as he could.

Now Yb has a guy in Sweden who is willing to come to denmark and call his bluff.

THis is how it works- the attacker gets angry and runs at the yb practioner and hits as hard as he can.

If the yb person gets hurt end of story and yb dont work.

If the yb person dont get hurt (other than by ducking etc) then we can talk for years about how it aitn worth it if you gotta be angry, would it work this way, that way, how does it work etc.

The results of this test are what matters anything else is just pure bull****

right Kevin?

Yellow Bamboo Practitioner
 
I'll ask again, is there anything wrong with this protocol:

Closed room. YBGuy ("petpower_2k") and an 'attacker' are only ones present, with some video cameras. YBGuy is searched for no electrical devices. YBGuy and Attacker stand in center of room about 15 feet apart. Attacker convinces himself to want to attack YBGuy. When he has done so, Attacker announces "I will hit him." Attacker then marches forward (not sprints or runs) and hits YBGuy in the chest with his fist. Test is successful if YBGuy is stationary and Attacker fails to make any contact with YBGuy.
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I have no participation in this, but it seems that there is some question about "gets hurt". I could punch some guys way bigger than me and they would not 'get hurt'. I could also get punched by some guys way smaller than me and I would not 'get hurt'. So there is a problem of what is meant by 'get hurt' and the actions tha the YBGuy can do to prevent from 'getting hurt'.

I have no doubt that some people can prevent 'getting hurt' by deflecting blows with their arms, legs, etc. So the YBGuy must not be able to deflect blows like this or it's just boxing.

Also 'getting hurt' is not mesurable. 'Getting puched' is. That's why I wrote the protocol. Are there any problems with it?
 
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petpower_2k said:
the attacker has to have real intention to hurt,
for example:

he keeps punching me and if he faints or falls down I win, if I cant take any more punches and give up then he wins.

with other words: he keeps kicking my ass until I give up.
or he falls down unconcious when trying to hit me, and I win.
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So basically, he can only punch you in the abdomen or chest and if he gets tired then you win? What kind of martial art is that? What is the claim, that you can receive punishment without being hurt? Or that you can stop the attacker without touching him/her? If the former, let eyes, throat and genitals be targets. Short of being hit by a world class fighter, shots to the chest or abdomen are hardly devastating if you have any training at all. By the way, would your art also prevent you from being hurt by joint locks and chokes? I sure could have used that in my years training in BJJ.
If your claim is the latter, why do you need to be attacked at all? Couldn't you stop someone from a distance regardless?

I'm assuming that either of these claims occur without you either striking or blocking the attacker?
 
baliwesternman said:
THis is how it works- the attacker gets angry and runs at the yb practioner and hits as hard as he can.

If the yb person gets hurt end of story and yb dont work.

If the yb person dont get hurt (other than by ducking etc) then we can talk for years about how it aitn worth it if you gotta be angry, would it work this way, that way, how does it work etc.

The results of this test are what matters anything else is just pure bull****

right Kevin?

Yellow Bamboo Practitioner [/B]
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It is not necessary to run to hit as hard as possible. The running part is where your trick comes in. Its so obvious I don't even know why you bother. I will stand directly in front of you, not moving, I will then throw a punch at you at a target of my choosing, you may wear protective head gear and mouth guard for safety. If it somehow misses or stops without you moving then you have something. I've watched the videos, their frankly BS. The guy running must move out of the way otherwise he will slam into the YB person who is stationary. This throws his balance off and then YB guy proceeds to wave his arms in front of him, further making the running attacker lose balance. In order to keep from slamming into you or falling down the attacker must pull his punch. With the odd exception when sometimes you get clocked in the head by someone how isn't afraid to just flat out punch you. This is what the video shows.

If you cannot stop a blow, from a stationary opponent directly in front of you, then your tactic has no valid street fighting merit, its pointless. No one attacks like a screaming barbarian as depicted in your video anyway.
 
baliwesternman said:
this has nothing to do with the randi challenge. previously my larsen has open challenged yellow bamboo.
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Well, that's fine, but I always thought that Larsen belonged to all of us. A gift to the world, as it were. Don't be so selfish.

he has said he would get angry, run at the yb practitioner
and hit him as hard as he could.

Now Yb has a guy in Sweden who is willing to come to denmark and call his bluff.
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The trouble is that the protocol you have described is not the same as the one described by the guy frmo Sweden. If only you guys could agree on what it is you can actually do. Whatever happened to the bamboo stick?
 
From the website: "As you can imagine when you can knock down attackers from 10 feet away or heal someone dying from something just using your own energy- that is true personal power!"

So if it is a projection of 'energy', wouldn't throwing an object at the YB person work too? Throw a baseball or something at them, and they would have to knock it down without moving out of the way or touching it. Do it an agreed upon number of times, filmed from multiple angles. That prevents suggestion and personal injury.
 
I think the new doctrine of "we remain unharmed" came out of a couple of recent tests the Bamboozled conducted where they got clocked good and proper.

There was a recent thread about it where Phrost posted an amusing Flash clip of a woowoo getting flattened.

Anyway, they observed after this that they had not (as any sane person would expect) been hospitalised by a single blow delivered clumsily from a run up. Who would have thought? Obviously this was a new aspect of their super powers.

To be fair, I think Alvin (posting here as baliwesternman) posted a similar story ages ago on rec.martial-arts that when he did the zapping ritual one guy ran up to him without doing the approved baseball slide, battered him ineffectively for a bit and then fell over pooped. Thus a legend was born, I guess.

The fact is that felling a human with a single blow, even under ideal circumstances, takes a highly conditioned athlete and some luck. The average weekend martial artist just doesn't have the power in their punch to end a fight with a single body shot, especially if they have to deliver it awkwardly at the end of a run. So being "unharmed" after a few punches in the tummy is not a super power - any boxer can do it better.

Unless the Bamboozles can come up with a genuinely supernatural claim, or unless Claus just wants to punch the heck out of a woo-woo, I don't see why this new version of the Yellow Bamboo myth is even worth looking at.
 
kimiko said:
From the website: "As you can imagine when you can knock down attackers from 10 feet away or heal someone dying from something just using your own energy- that is true personal power!"
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That's what they claim? Blimey, that's a long way from "I don't get knocked out easily".
So, why not have the protocol reflect the claims? YB guy has to knock Larsen down from 10 feet away. No contact.

And it doesn't count if Larsen just nods off. ;)

BTW, does anyone else find it amusing that we're concocting all these punishments for Larsen in his absence?
 
TheBoyPaj said:
BTW, does anyone else find it amusing that we're concocting all these punishments for Larsen in his absence?
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Ah, well, he probably deserves it. You know we are not as innocent as we may appear to be. According to Karen Boesen, business astrologer, we are the Hell's Angels of the skeptic movement:
Karen Boesen said:
(...) Now I know that the guy is complete insane. He not only beats people. He also bites. Very nice fellow. Maybe he is just an ordinary skeptic?
Originally posted by Karen Boesen
What shall one say? The skeptics like (dann) Simonsen and CL have fought people physicallly, who hold different opinions.
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The bamboo guys have no idea what awaits them! :)
 
How are you defining "gets hurt" anyway? Do you have to admit to feeling pain? or would a bruise suffice? If the former, how do we know you're not just being a brave little soldier?
 
This is just a new diversionary tactics from these people: Challenge single persons. Now, few sane people would agree on undertaking a physical brawl with an anonymous stranger from the internet, so they can now say that skeptics are afrais to meet them (remember how they were not afraid to lie and claim they won the JREF million). Should somebody take up the challenge, they can just make up some silly excuse, like him being not really outraged, or whatever other nonsense they can dream up.

Hans
 
atarian said:
+1 to this idea.

Hands up everyone who wants to see CFLarsen bitch-slap a woo-woo.
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I do hope he restrains himself. After all, Claus is capable of killing a man armed w/ a gun w/ his bare hands. ;)
 
A good rule of thumb is that if the first time you heard of a certain martial art was on the internet, it is rubbish.
 
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petpower_2k said:
yes thats me.

/Peter
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Don't be shy, petpower_2k. Answer all of the questions asked of you, especially the ones regarding what claim you are actually making and the protocol involved.
 
Dogwood said:
How are you defining "gets hurt" anyway? Do you have to admit to feeling pain? or would a bruise suffice? If the former, how do we know you're not just being a brave little soldier?
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If I get punched at and can´t knock the attacker down, then obviously I havent wont the test.
but If I get punched at, and the attacker is knocked down without touch then I won the test.
It will be easy to see from the video who won.
 
If I get punched at and can´t knock the attacker down, then obviously I havent wont the test.
but If I get punched at, and the attacker is knocked down without touch then I won the test.
It will be easy to see from the video who won.
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Will he be running at you? Will he be standing in front, trying to hit you? Can you do it from 10 feet away? ...etc....
 
TheBoyPaj said:
That's what they claim? Blimey, that's a long way from "I don't get knocked out easily".
So, why not have the protocol reflect the claims? YB guy has to knock Larsen down from 10 feet away. No contact.

And it doesn't count if Larsen just nods off. ;)

BTW, does anyone else find it amusing that we're concocting all these punishments for Larsen in his absence?
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I'm with TheBoyPaj on this one. Make them do what they claim.

Plus, I can't see getting angry and running full speed towards a person as the best set up for punching a person.
 
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