Ye likes Hitler

[lionking]

I don't particularly care about the exact number. I'm just saying that Kanye questioning what is admittedly not a precise number, does not make him a Holocaust Denier in my book. People often get fixated on the numbers and lose sight of the atrocities.

Now if he starts saying it is a Zionist lie, and that no Jews were killed, and that there was no intent to exterminate them, then yeah, he is right there.

I think we cannot arbitrarily assign things such as willful ignorance, while in the same sentence labeling him as being out of his damn mind.

You do know that questioning the number is an example of holocaust denial, don't you? And, by the way, you don't get to define holocaust denial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Holocaust deniers make one or more of the following false statements:[6][7][8]

Nazi Germany's Final Solution was aimed only at deporting Jews and did not include their extermination.
Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers for the genocidal mass murder of Jews.
The actual number of Jews murdered is significantly lower than the accepted figure of approximately 6 million, typically around a tenth of that figure.

 

[Stacyhs]

Look, I think the guy is crazy. And I have thought that for a long time. Nothing to do with this latest material. It isn't an excuse for him...it is an observation.

Half of the time I am pretty sure that even he doesn't know wtf he is talking about. I mean, how can someone say, "I love Jews...and I love Nazis"?? Batspit crazy and oblivious to reality.

And yet....you defend almost everything he says with very odd excuses.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I don't particularly care about the exact number. I'm just saying that Kanye questioning what is admittedly not a precise number, does not make him a Holocaust Denier in my book. People often get fixated on the numbers and lose sight of the atrocities.

Now if he starts saying it is a Zionist lie, and that no Jews were killed, and that there was no intent to exterminate them, then yeah, he is right there.

I think we cannot arbitrarily assign things such as willful ignorance, while in the same sentence labeling him as being out of his damn mind.

Body of work.

 

[Resume]

I'm just saying that Kanye questioning what is admittedly not a precise number, does not make him a Holocaust Denier in my book. People often get fixated on the numbers and lose sight of the atrocities

Jesus ******* Christ! The numbers are a ******* estimate, but millions were murdered which is why it is called a god damned Holocaust. What difference would it make it the numbers are off a few hundred thousand, or even a few million? Hitler's attempt to annihilate the Jews is all we need remember about him, not if he made the trains run on time, or if he invented the highway system. Also too, there's no good reason to cut West any slack for this JAQing off attempt.

Not even remotely edgy.

 

[Warp12]

Jesus ******* Christ! The numbers are a ******* estimate, but millions were murdered which is why it is called a god damned Holocaust. What difference would it make it the numbers are off a few hundred thousand, or even a few million? Hitler's attempt to annihilate the Jews is all we need remember about him, not if he made the trains run on time, or if he invented the highway system. Also too, there's no good reason to cut West any slack for this JAQing off attempt.

Not even remotely edgy.

I guess you didn't read this post from earlier:

I don't particularly care about the exact number. I'm just saying that Kanye questioning what is admittedly not a precise number, does not make him a Holocaust Denier in my book. People often get fixated on the numbers and lose sight of the atrocities.

Now if he starts saying it is a Zionist lie, and that no Jews were killed, and that there was no intent to exterminate them, then yeah, he is right there.

Seems like we are in agreement, tbh.

 

[Resume]

I guess you didn't read this post from earlier . . .

I read it.

I don't particularly care about the exact number. I'm just saying that Kanye questioning what is admittedly not a precise number, does not make him a Holocaust Denier in my book

If you don't care about the number, why would you then point out that it is "admittedly" not a precise number?. You know, If you don't care about it?

In my book, it seems as if you do, in fact, care about the number.

Seems like we are in agreement, tbh.

So no, not in agreement, and not edgy either.

 

[Warp12]

So no, not in agreement, and not edgy either.

I definitely see it as we are in agreement on the matter. The precise numbers are not as significant as recognizing the atrocities.

If you disagree with this, then yes, we are not on the same page.

I have only seen Kanye dispute the numbers, not the atrocities. Maybe that is still to come.

 

[varwoche]

I have only seen bears walk in the woods, not **** in the woods. Maybe that is still to come.

 

[varwoche]

If Kanye is merely a stickler for historical accuracy (guffaw), and he actually recognizes the atrocity of the holocaust, yet he loves Hitler anyway ... that's even more demented.

 

[Resume]

I definitely see it as we are in agreement on the matter. The precise numbers are not as significant as recognizing the atrocities.

If you disagree with this, then yes, we are not on the same page.

I have only seen Kanye dispute the numbers, not the atrocities. Maybe that is still to come.

You claim to not "particularly care" about the numbers, yet you continue to bring them up. There likely can be no precise numbers (maybe they're even larger than estimates) so there is no real reason to bring them up, unless maybe in an attempt to minimize them, as I believe West is attempting to do. When he praises Hitler, and claims to "love" Nazis, as he did in his interview with the deplorable Alex Jones, he's not really fooling anyone, and to pretend otherwise seems disingenuous, and again, not edgy.

So yes, we are in disagreement about the artist who now calls himself Ye, and though he is clearly ill, he is still an asswipe

 

[Resume]

If Kanye is merely a stickler for historical accuracy (guffaw), and he actually recognizes the atrocity of the holocaust, yet he loves Hitler anyway ... that's even more demented.

His cheese has slid off his rocker. Although he may be attempting to be an Edgelord. Likely both, and still an asswipe.

 

[bruto]

I definitely see it as we are in agreement on the matter. The precise numbers are not as significant as recognizing the atrocities.

If you disagree with this, then yes, we are not on the same page.

I have only seen Kanye dispute the numbers, not the atrocities. Maybe that is still to come.

Kanye was not engaged in a discussion of the details of the holocaust. He was engaged in a discussion about his admiration for Hitler, punctuated by anti-semitism and outrageous factual error, and threw in reference to the inaccuracy of holocaust accounts without further elaboration, including any indication that his dispute was about just the number rather than the murders themselves. You accuse others of over-interpretation, but it is your own interpretation of the statement that presumes the denial was of the exact number, and not the whole fact, and your own extrapolation that presumes he might have continued with any kind of reasonable explanation despite the statement occurring after a salvo of unreasonable statements.

If you have a red flag behind the seat of your truck, it's not the same thing as marching at the head of a torchlight parade waving it. It means a different thing. Context really does matter.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Denialism of factual events or occurrences is, quite often, not done by denying the entire occurrence but of some of the details. Their goal is to inject doubt and then grow that seed of doubt. This is seen with climate change denialism, moon landings denialism and other conspiracy theories. It's idiocy unsuccessfully disguised as reasonable skepticism.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I believe Ye thinks he can break the Matrix that is the World by glitching out of it when the keeps on banging on about Hitler being great and over no-go areas of polite discourse.

 

[grunion]

The Kanye reddit forum was turned into a Taylor Swift forum for a couple of days, now primarily a Holocaust awareness reddit.

 

[Norman Alexander]

The only reason that Ye has not been caught in a butterfly net and taken away in a white van is that money completely trumps sense in the USA. Ye is still (relatively) rich, so he is given license, encouragement and even applause to do and say whatever flits through is addled brain today. He isn't the only example.

 

[Checkmite]

I don't think one has to be a neo-nazi to question the numbers. But we have other topics for that.

One doesn't have to be in theory, but that is in fact the way it shakes out in reality.

 

[dudalb]

It looks as if we're circling the usual right wing escape route: he can't be held accountable because he's too stupid and crazy to be responsible.

But yet he should be President once again....

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If you listen to Ye's comments, I think it's clear that he is using "love" as a not-so-clever substitute for "screw you".
He thinks he has found the Christian Loophole of "loving your enemy", which he understands to mean that you should hide behind declaration of love whilst working to exterminate them.

 

[Crossbow]

In yet another typical Ye move, Ye now says that Jewish people should "forgive Hitler".

To wit, ....

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kanye-west-proud-boys-founder-102235616.html

Kanye West to Proud Boys Founder: ‘Jewish People, Forgive Hitler’

Less than a week after Kanye West praised Adolf Hitler in an interview with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, West – flanked by white supremacist Nick Fuentes – sat down with Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes to demand that Jewish people “forgive Hitler.”

...

At one point, McInnes gives West a hypothetical question. “So you’re president of the United States,” says McInnes. “It’s day one and someone walks in and they go, ‘So what are we going to do about these Jews?’ What do ya say?” West replies, eliciting laughs from Fuentes and McInnes: “Jews should work for Christians. I’ll hire a Jewish person in a second if I knew they weren’t a spy and I could look through their phone and follow through their house and have a camera all in their living room.”

...

West ends the interview by saying he “loves everyone” and says that “the rules of the country will be based on the bible.”

“Jewish people can’t tell me who I can love and who I can’t love,” he continues. “You can’t say, you can’t force your pain on everyone else. Jewish people, forgive Hitler today.”