WTC dust

[bill smith]

You see how truthers get trapped by their own claims? Dusty declares that 'Almost all the WTC got turned into dust', yet 1,462,000 tons of debris were received and processed at Freshkills. If that de facto represents almost nothing, I'd hate to see an estimate of the original WTC mass before this magical 'dustification' process.

According to Gregory Urich's paper, the total mass of the towers was as much as 500,000 tons. The total mass of structural steel was 200,000 tons.

Since 200,000 tons of steel has been accounted for by Philips and Jordan, that would be the equivalent of the entirety of steel in the towers, but wouldn't include the rest of the WTC buildings.

The total mass of the towers would include their live loads (office contents) so this fits very well into the reported total of 1,462,000 tons of debris recovered from the WTC.

Unless WTC Dust can demonstrate that the debris should have weighed 30 million tons or so, then the claim 'Almost All' is easily falsified, even if it is ludicrously vague. I'm just assuming it means 'less than 5% remaining undustified'. Just for giggles. Make the value of 'almost all' 50% if you wish - then you'd need to account for a total of 3 million tons.

But that makes the phrase 'almost all' as meaningless as the infamous ''almost freefall' phrase when it turns out to be 64% of freefall..

Can you show a mountain of core columns in the centre of the WTC2 footprint AE or are you all mouth as usual ? Because if you can't show the columns in a massive pile then they are gone. no error.

longer clip....Scroll down to 'Wtc2 core took 30 seconds to....'
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgu...q=core+wtc2&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N&start=60

 

[Justin39640]

Let's quantify the term -- "(structural) iron dissolved into dust"
Below is a representative sample of videos that show a 200 foot high box
beam of the WTC 1 core --
or a 200 foot high sections of exterior bevel box beams dissolve into dust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goGGQhhTcDY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W0-W582fNQ&feature=related

Here are two stills that cameo the structural iron 'spire' that extended hundreds feet above
the WTC1 tower suddenly, along with other pieces of super structure connected structural iron,
dissolves into a dust cloud that falls almost straight down.

Spire towers 200 feet above the destroyed tower for seconds.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/363814cce28d38f121.jpg[/qimg]



Spire dissolves into a heavy dust
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/363814cce28d3b5a4d.jpg[/qimg]

Wow
This has to be the worst case of not being very observant I have ever seen.

You really mean to tell me that THIS is the evidence of dustification????

Most(sane) people realize that seconds before a giant cloud of concrete, wallboard, etc, etc had come past and deposited A LOT OF DUST. When the spires fell, that dust became dislodged, and since steel has much less air resistance than dust, a spire shape cloud of dust was formed. DUH!

YOU CAN SEE THE *********** STEEL FALLING!

I am a lay person here but you are either (a)blind or (b)profoundly retarded.

 

[bill smith]

Why would they all be within the footpsint?

because they were fixed to the ground there and fell by gravity which is straight down- beginning at the bottom as we have already seen in a video.

 

[Andy_Ross]

What about the 200,000 tons of steel that was salvaged, sold and recycled?

 

[bill smith]

What about the 200,000 tons of steel that was salvaged, sold and recycled?

lol

 

[WTC Dust]

Why would they all be within the footpsint?

If the WTC was destroyed by gravity alone, then the velocity of the building materials would have been straight down.

Gravity only works in the downward direction, not outward.

What I expected to see was a tall pile of steel centered on each of the footprints of WTC 1 and WTC 2. I expected some spread in the debris pile, but the center and highest point should have been right in the middle of the footprints.

That it wasn't disproves a gravity collapse. Nothing should have thrown the material horizontally.

 

[triforcharity]

Almost all of the WTC got turned into dust.

I really don't know why most of you are against even discussing the possibility of an electrical weapon destroying the WTC. Steel conducts electricity. You know you can "do things" to metals with electricity.

Don't know what is sooooo outrageous about destroying steel with electricity.

Can you explain it? Why are most of you angry and name-calling when someone suggests that it is possible to destroy steel with electricity. It doesn't seem like something that would engender any kind of hatred.
I expect something like curiosity, but nope. I'm "insane" or "an idiot" for not ruling it out. Seems like there's a mental block with most of you.

Yeah, it melts it, not dustifys it. It's called welding.

 

[triforcharity]

The steel that remained was all broken up into pieces. What did this?

When the force exerted on it became more than it's yeild strength.

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WTC Dust
Seems like there's a mental block with most of you.

why..because we think your theory is rediculous?

hell, its not even a theory. a true scientific theory can be TESTED.

I await the results of the independent testing of your theory.

 

[BasqueArch]

My Bold

If the WTC was destroyed by gravity alone, then the velocity of the building materials would have been straight down.

Gravity only works in the downward direction, not outward.

What I expected to see was a tall pile of steel centered on each of the footprints of WTC 1 and WTC 2. I expected some spread in the debris pile, but the center and highest point should have been right in the middle of the footprints.

That it wasn't disproves a gravity collapse. Nothing should have thrown the material horizontally.

I bet you don't know why perimeter columns ended up to 500 feet away from the towers.

 

[dtugg]

Dusty, did you know that crazy people usually don't know that they are crazy? Just something for you to think about.

 

[excaza]

What I expected to see was a tall pile of steel centered on each of the footprints of WTC 1 and WTC 2. I expected some spread in the debris pile, but the center and highest point should have been right in the middle of the footprints.

It would have fallen in a neat pile if there were no other forces acting (like, air and you know...the rest of the tower that was in the way). The only way for your neat and tidy pile to actually happen would require a vacuum and the towers actually being dustified.

Congratulations on debunking yourself.

 

[Thunder]

I saw the WTC dust. It was not steel. It looked nothing like steel shavings.

 

[excaza]

Dusty, did you know that crazy people usually don't know that they are crazy? Just something for you to think about.

Isn't that a quote from something? If you know you're crazy, you can't be crazy?

 

[Andy_Ross]

LOL

Is that an answer?
Thousands of people and dozens of organizations and compamies worked on clearing Ground Zero and then identifying and processing the rubble and remains.

Are they all deluded? Are they all 'in on it' those people that processed and documented 200,000 tons of steel?
What about the companies that transpoerted it and shipped it?
What about those that recycled and reprocessed the steel?
That would involve foreign governments and companies as far away as China.

Did they not get any steel at the foundry to smelt and process into new ingots and beams?

 

[alienentity]

If the WTC was destroyed by gravity alone, then the velocity of the building materials would have been straight down.

Gravity only works in the downward direction, not outward.

What I expected to see was a tall pile of steel centered on each of the footprints of WTC 1 and WTC 2. I expected some spread in the debris pile, but the center and highest point should have been right in the middle of the footprints.

That it wasn't disproves a gravity collapse. Nothing should have thrown the material horizontally.

 

[A W Smith]

Is that an answer?
Thousands of people and dozens of organizations and compamies worked on clearing Ground Zero and then identifying and processing the rubble and remains.

Are they all deluded? Are they all 'in on it' those people that processed and documented 200,000 tons of steel?
What about the companies that transpoerted it and shipped it?
What about those that recycled and reprocessed the steel?
That would involve foreign governments and companies as far away as China.

Did they not get any steel at the foundry to smelt and process into new ingots and beams?

And also the GPS that logged the trucks carrying the steel out of ground zero to prevent the mobsters from stealing it.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/security_gps.html

 

[phiwum]

Is there still anyone out there who refuses to acknowledge that steel turned into dust on 9/11?

I'm not very good at interpreting pictures, I guess, so I remain unconvinced.

But no worries! You said that your research proves that the steel turned to dust! Just share your research with us, so that we can come to the same conclusion.

What research did you do in order to prove that great gobs of steel turned to dust on 9/11?

 

[dtugg]

Is there still anyone out there who refuses to acknowledge that steel turned into dust on 9/11?

Every sane person in the world.

 

[tsig]

Almost all of the WTC got turned into dust.

I really don't know why most of you are against even discussing the possibility of an electrical weapon destroying the WTC. Steel conducts electricity. You know you can "do things" to metals with electricity.

Don't know what is sooooo outrageous about destroying steel with electricity.

Can you explain it? Why are most of you angry and name-calling when someone suggests that it is possible to destroy steel with electricity. It doesn't seem like something that would engender any kind of hatred.
I expect something like curiosity, but nope. I'm "insane" or "an idiot" for not ruling it out. Seems like there's a mental block with most of you.

Fine, now how do we destroy steel with electricity?