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WTC Dust said:
Almost all of the WTC got turned into dust.
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No, it didn't. The fact that you saw dust where there was previously a structure doesn't mean the structure turned to dust; it means the structure collapsed, and that the dust on the structure fell more slowly, leaving it behind.

WTC Dust said:
I really don't know why most of you are against even discussing the possibility of an electrical weapon destroying the WTC. Steel conducts electricity. You know you can "do things" to metals with electricity.
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Well, for a start, you didn't say it was an electrical weapon.

WTC Dust said:
Don't know what is sooooo outrageous about destroying steel with electricity.
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Melting it, fine, although you'll need a ******** of power. But turning steel to dust by passing an electric current through it? Utterly insane. It simply soesn't so that/

WTC Dust said:
Can you explain it? Why are most of you angry and name-calling when someone suggests that it is possible to destroy steel with electricity. It doesn't seem like something that would engender any kind of hatred.[/quopte]

You're accusing innocent people of mass murder, and trying to exonerate the people who claimed in advance that they were going to do it, and then went on and did it. People get upset about attempted gross miscarriages of justice.

WTC Dust said:
I expect something like curiosity, but nope. I'm "insane" or "an idiot" for not ruling it out. Seems like there's a mental block with most of you.
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But your suggestions are either stupid or insane. You're claiming things we know to be false, and making up fantasies that we know violate the laws of physics. These things are neither sane nor sensible.

Dave
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WTC Dust said:
Even if you believe that ridiculous lie about hijackings on 9/11, you still missed the point.
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The ridiculous lies aren't coming from that side.

WTC Dust said:
I'm talking about 1 second before the buildings collapsed. They weren't moving.
Then, the building turned into dust. There's no kinetic energy to calculate.
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Then you're either insane, stupid, or lying, if you claim your post was a rational response to a comment about the kinetic energy of the airliners at impact.

Dave
 
WTC Dust said:
The steel that remained was all broken up into pieces. What did this?
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Most of it snapped at welded or bolted connections due to the fact that those were the weakest points. Conversion of gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy due to falling, followed by conversion of kinetic energy to fracture energy due to collisions, did all this. The calculations have been done, and it's been shown that there was ample energy available to do this.

Dave
 
WTC Dust said:
If the WTC was destroyed by gravity alone, then the velocity of the building materials would have been straight down.

Gravity only works in the downward direction, not outward.

What I expected to see was a tall pile of steel centered on each of the footprints of WTC 1 and WTC 2. I expected some spread in the debris pile, but the center and highest point should have been right in the middle of the footprints.

That it wasn't disproves a gravity collapse. Nothing should have thrown the material horizontally.
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Congratulations. You have just denied the existence of the entire class of ball games that includes pool, snooker, billiards and croquet.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Congratulations. You have just denied the existence of the entire class of ball games that includes pool, snooker, billiards and croquet.

Dave
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When the core of WTC2 finally collapsed everything else was already on the ground (bar some dust). Isn't that so Dave ? So when the remaining - lets say five miles of massive core columns collapsed they would be right on top in the centre of the footprint. Isnt that also true Dave ?

But there is virtually nothing there let alone five miles of massive core columns.

Where are they Dave ?
 
bill smith said:
When the core of WTC2 finally collapsed everything else was already on the ground (bar some dust). Isn't that so Dave ? So when the remaining - lets say five miles of massive core columns collapsed they would be right on top in the centre of the footprint. Isnt that also true Dave ?
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Of course not. Didn't you see those columns in the spire oscillating just be fore they fell over? When they finally broke free of the ground, they would have had a bit of momentum to move them outward from where they stood.

If you view the photographs on the debris field, you will see that they are dispersed outward from the center, but are still there in a position to show where they came from.
 
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bill smith said:
When the core of WTC2 finally collapsed everything else was already on the ground (bar some dust). Isn't that so Dave ? So when the remaining - lets say five miles of massive core columns collapsed they would be right on top in the centre of the footprint. Isnt that also true Dave ?

But there is virtually nothing there let alone five miles of massive core columns.

Where are they Dave ?
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Can you justify your estimate of "five miles"? Thanks.
That would work out to about 20 core columns of the entire height of the tower, 40 columns of half the height, or 80 columns of quarter height.

How high was that core remnant that fell last, and how many columns did it contain?
 
leftysergeant said:
Of course not. Didn't you see those columns in the spire oscillating just be fore they fell over? When they finally broke free of the ground, thewy would have had a bit of momentum to move them outward from where they stood.
If you view the photographs on the debris field, you will see that they are dispersed outward from the center, but are still there in a position to show where they came from.
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I will be happy to review your best pictures of the footprint of WTC2 post collapse. I expect to see an awful lot of massive core columns on top of any other rubble. If you cannot show this then we can assume that the steel is not there.
 
Oystein said:
Can you justify your estimate of "five miles"? Thanks.
That would work out to about 20 core columns of the entire height of the tower, 40 columns of half the height, or 80 columns of quarter height.

How high was that core remnant that fell last, and how many columns did it contain?
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Don't worry about the numbers so much Oystein. Just show the damn oictures or get off the pot.

***No close-ups accepted by the way.
 
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bill smith said:
[Sigh]....If you want to bang your pots and pans why don't you just go back to the silly forum Oystein ?
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Why don't you just admit you lied up a number, and instead go on and justify a better estimate? I can't find you five miles of core columns, but maybe I can find you half a mile, or whatever you expect me to find?

I will not start the search upon your request unless you tell me what you expect me to find.

Somehow, when you first posted that request for picture, it seemed important to you to lie up a number for the length you want us to find.
If it is still important, please give an honest estimate.
 
Oystein said:
Why don't you just admit you lied up a number, and instead go on and justify a better estimate? I can't find you five miles of core columns, but maybe I can find you half a mile, or whatever you expect me to find?

I will not start the search upon your request unless you tell me what you expect me to find.

Somehow, when you first posted that request for picture, it seemed important to you to lie up a number for the length you want us to find.
If it is still important, please give an honest estimate.
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Goodbye Oystein.
 
bill smith said:
Goodbye Oystein.
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Disappointed no one fell for your lie, eh?
You never were interested in real research.

I already have my picture ready. I am only waiting for you to define what you expect to see in it.
 
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