WTC dust

[dafydd]

Difficult to believe as it may be, you missed the point of my post.

When buildings are demolished, they collapse. When they collapse, there is always a huge dust cloud.

I have seen one of these collapses myself. There was a 37-story building near the demolition site, and when the 19-story building was demolished, it produced a dust clould that completely obscured the larger building.



I never took high school physics, but in first grade I learned that a stack of wooden blocks never fell into its own footprint. The horizontal force here is essentially the same, except that the elasticity of the (non-dustified) steel members caused a somewhat different re-distribution of energy.

When I was a child some friends and I pushed over a rickety brick wall,it was about 12 feet long and 8 feet high.We were caught by the owner of said wall because he saw the large dust cloud and came to investigate.

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I tried that and got electrocuted and made a bad mess. What was your point here?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

And just how does that happen? How does air get forced into a contiguous solid to form a foam?

Mechanistically, Dr. Wood has the best idea, even though she doesn't really talk about foam per se or multiple types of dust.

She says the damage has the hallmarks of an energy weapon.

Explain please.

How does air get forced into a contiguous solid to form a foam?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

I don't know. Have there ever been underground fires in NYC before? Or have there been underground fires in an equivalent metropolitan area?

Is Burning Mountain located in a metropolitan area similar to where the WTC was located?

Please elaborate on why you think that the fact that it is a metropolitan area is important.

 

[triforcharity]

You must know how often it rained in NYC after the attacks, right? Answer=often.

Yes, often.

And you're saying that chaos of debris would have had air pockets, right?

Yes, lots of them.

100 days later...it's still fuming like mad and stench fills the air.
27 days of rain and 100 days later, air pockets are still extant, and the fuel from ... ??? ... kept burning.

99 days is how long the fire burned. This does not suprise anyone with relevant training.

When you can't get the wet stuff (That would be the water) on the hot stuff (that would be the fire) you can't very well put the fire out, now can you?

You don't realize how much fuel was in those towers, do you?

Image 220 ACRES of offices, mechanical equipment, hundreds of vehicles, thousands of desks, chairs, computers, copy machines, telephones, etc etc etc. Yeah, that is plenty of fuel to last 99 days.

The smell doesn't suprise any of the firefighters or other people with relevant training. Only you.

I still have YET to see this source for "fumes" after day 99.

BTW, here is a cool little tool that a firefighter invented for fighting fires in rubble piles and the like.
http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_waterjet_technology_cuts/

Pretty cool eh? Now, I wonder why they might invent one of these?

Oh, I forgot the 24/7 efforts of fire fighters from around the country, too. All that water they poured on the "fire"? Didn't help.

Nope, see above.

All that dirt they trucked into Ground Zero? Nope. Still fuming. Still smelling. 100 days later.

Yep. Mold, mildew, and other bilogicals, not to mention the hundreds of tons of debris that was still there. Yeah, doesn't suprise me that it stunk. Doesn't suprise anyone. But you.

 

[triforcharity]

I tried that and got electrocuted and made a bad mess. What was your point here?

Is the candle still lit?

 

[WTC Dust]

Found on Facebook


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[Mikemcc]

Found on Facebook


Lasers have mystified us for ages, but did you ever imagine that the high-energy beams depicted in those sci-fi thrillers might actually defend the U.S. military in your lifetime? The concept may not be as far-fetched as you think. The Office of Naval Research's investment in directed energy could soon provide the U.S. fleet and forces with instantaneous, pinpoint-precision laser fire ... and our team is ready to tell you about ...it.

...

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And your point is...?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Andy_Ross]

SO your DEW was a Laser? How does a laser 'dustify'?

 

[A W Smith]

Found on Facebook

<snipped dream sequence>

Thanks for proving that directed energy weapons do not exist yet.

 

[WTC Dust]

Yes, often.



Yes, lots of them.



99 days is how long the fire burned. This does not suprise anyone with relevant training.

When you can't get the wet stuff (That would be the water) on the hot stuff (that would be the fire) you can't very well put the fire out, now can you?

You don't realize how much fuel was in those towers, do you?

Image 220 ACRES of offices, mechanical equipment, hundreds of vehicles, thousands of desks, chairs, computers, copy machines, telephones, etc etc etc. Yeah, that is plenty of fuel to last 99 days.

The smell doesn't suprise any of the firefighters or other people with relevant training. Only you.

I still have YET to see this source for "fumes" after day 99.

BTW, here is a cool little tool that a firefighter invented for fighting fires in rubble piles and the like.
http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_waterjet_technology_cuts/

Pretty cool eh? Now, I wonder why they might invent one of these?




Nope, see above.



Yep. Mold, mildew, and other bilogicals, not to mention the hundreds of tons of debris that was still there. Yeah, doesn't suprise me that it stunk. Doesn't suprise anyone. But you.

Fires smell like what's on fire. I've smelled fires before in my lifetime. Many types of fires and other smells. I'm not a fire fighter, but I've actually had to put out fires in the course of my profession! Silly grad students don't know what to do if they set the place on fire.

Months later, I'm still asking myself, "What the heck is on fire at the WTC? WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ABLE TO PUT OUT THE FIRE?"

 

[WTC Dust]

SO your DEW was a Laser? How does a laser 'dustify'?

It's not my DEW, and it isn't a Laser. Lasers amplify light (defined as the part of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be perceived by humans). The particular wavelength of energy used might not have been in the narrow visible part of the spectrum.

Invisible waves, yes. But this isn't strange. This is normal. Most electromagnetic radiation isn't visible to humans.

 

[WTC Dust]

And your point is...?

DEW-like technology is being discussed by people inside the biz.

 

[dafydd]

Found on Facebook


Lasers have mystified us for ages, but did you ever imagine that the high-energy beams depicted in those sci-fi thrillers might actually defend the U.S. military in your lifetime? The concept may not be as far-fetched as you think. The Office of Naval Research's investment in directed energy could soon provide the U.S. fleet and forces with instantaneous, pinpoint-precision laser fire ... and our team is ready to tell you about ...it.

...

Don't miss this event: Log on to Facebook (www.facebook.com/officeofnavalresearch) and post your questions in advance, then come back to join us at 11 a.m. EST, Nov. 4, to see questions answered in real time.

So?

 

[Andy_Ross]

It's not my DEW, and it isn't a Laser. Lasers amplify light (defined as the part of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be perceived by humans). The particular wavelength of energy used might not have been in the narrow visible part of the spectrum.

Invisible waves, yes. But this isn't strange. This is normal. Most electromagnetic radiation isn't visible to humans.

Lasers are also Infra Red and Ultra Violet.

There are even MASERs (lasers that use Microwave radiation)

But of course you must know this what with claiming that some kind of Energy Weapon was used but not a Laser.

 

[George 152]

SO your DEW was a Laser? How does a laser 'dustify'?

I would have thought that dust/smoke in the air would defeat a 'death ray laser'

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

It's not my DEW, and it isn't a Laser. Lasers amplify light (defined as the part of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be perceived by humans). The particular wavelength of energy used might not have been in the narrow visible part of the spectrum.

Invisible waves, yes. But this isn't strange. This is normal. Most electromagnetic radiation isn't visible to humans.

Don't ya know that lasers can melt steel & not turn it into dust, like you're lead to believe by Dr. Wood?

 

[tfk]

Fires smell like what's on fire.

Utter rubbish.

Cows do not smell like hamburger. Neither smells like burning cow bodies.

People do not smell like burning people. (I've smelled both. Only one of those is - sometimes - quite pleasant.)

Hair does not smell like burning hair.

Unlit matches do not smell like lit matches.

Burning paper does not smell like books.

Forest fires do not smell like forests.

Auto exhaust does not smell like gasoline.

The process of burning changes the chemical - and therefore aromatic - properties materials.

 

[carlitos]

Which is why once-charred white oak barrels turn white corn liquor into delicious bourbon.