Will tariffs make America great?

The SC will just sit on it. Maybe till the 2026 election.
I don’t think they will because Trump will demand certainty.

So let’s see if the SC has any balls at all. I doubt it, but live in hope that a combination of a touch of decency and respect for the law might see them throw out tariffs.
 
As several have already noted, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal District has affirmed the Court of International Trade's decision that "IEEPA's grant of presidential authority to 'regulate' imports does not authorize the tariffs imposed by the Executive Orders".

It's a little more complicated than that, for several reasons. One is footnote 20, on page 44:
We are neither affirming nor reversing the CIT’s holding that any relief short of a universal injunction would be unconstitutional as violative of the Uniformity Clause. On remand, the CIT will need to reconsider this holding in light of the guidance provided by the Supreme Court in CASA.
Remanding that issue back to the Court of International Trade (CIT) has the potential to delay the effect of today's decision.

In any event, the ruling will not take effect before 14 October, giving the defendants (Trump et al.) time to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court might drag this out, but dragging this out would have serious economic effects as everyone waits to see whether the tariffs will go away.

The longer that uncertainty persists, the bigger the mess Trump et al. will have on their hands if these court decisions are upheld. In their emergency motion for a stay pending appeal of the CIT decision, Trump et al. promised to refund all tariffs that are found to have been collected illegally:
If tariffs imposed on plaintiffs during these appeals are ultimately held unlawful, then the government will issue refunds to plaintiffs, including any post-judgment interest that accrues.
Trump et al. had to make that promise as part of their argument that no plaintiffs would be harmed by allowing the US government to continue to collect tariffs while their appeals play out. We are talking here about $159 billion in tariffs that have already been collected, and that figure is growing with every day that passes.

So the longer this drags on, the bigger the mess Trump et al. will have to clean up if they continue to lose this case on appeal to the Supreme Court.

That's one reason for Trump's characteristically over-the-top reaction to this ruling. ("If these Tariffs ever went away, it would be a total disaster for the Country.") Another reason: The Trump administration has been using these tariffs as a threat when negotiating with other countries. With the legality of those tariffs in serious question, the effectiveness of that threat is diminished.

(Personally, I expect the Trump administration to renege on its promise to refund the tariffs if they are found to be illegal. A number of people who are more qualified than I are already speculating about how Trump could squirm out of an adverse decision, so I'll just leave that here.)
 
(Personally, I expect the Trump administration to renege on its promise to refund the tariffs if they are found to be illegal. A number of people who are more qualified than I are already speculating about how Trump could squirm out of an adverse decision, so I'll just leave that here.)
There is no way Trump will authorise a repayment. He has spent his entire life not paying for ◊◊◊◊ he has created.

But one interesting thing is that Trump has finally acknowledged that US citizens have been paying tariffs, not other countries.
 
There is no way Trump will authorise a repayment. He has spent his entire life not paying for ◊◊◊◊ he has created.

But one interesting thing is that Trump has finally acknowledged that US citizens have been paying tariffs, not other countries.
In general it won't be US citizens paying the tariff, although it will cost them. It will be the importer, I guess mainly US businesses, then the cost is passed on. The importer will claim the money back if the tariffs are ruled illegal, a big bonus for them, but it won't be so easy to compensate the customers who paid higher prices.
 
In general it won't be US citizens paying the tariff, although it will cost them. It will be the importer, I guess mainly US businesses, then the cost is passed on. The importer will claim the money back if the tariffs are ruled illegal, a big bonus for them, but it won't be so easy to compensate the customers who paid higher prices.
You completely contradicted yourself. Of course businesses pay the tariff. And then pass it on. To consumers. US citizens.

Are you seriously denying that consumers will not pay the tariffs? This is Trump level denial.
 
You completely contradicted yourself. Of course businesses pay the tariff. And then pass it on. To consumers. US citizens.

Are you seriously denying that consumers will not pay the tariffs? This is Trump level denial.
She did say that the cost was passed on. If the importers manage to claw back the tariffs, nobody will have payed higher tariffs, but the citizens will still have payed higher prices.

There is no denial here.
 
She did say that the cost was passed on. If the importers manage to claw back the tariffs, nobody will have payed higher tariffs, but the citizens will still have payed higher prices.

There is no denial here.
A distinction without a difference.

These words In general it won't be US citizens paying the tariff are completely misleading, but it is what Trump supporters say.

Who pays the tariffs? Consumers.
 
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A distinction without a difference

That was my initial impression too but I think I was missing her point, which as I understand it is that the importers paid the tarriffs to the government and may therefore be able to claim it back whereas the customers have paid the increased prices and won't get it back.
 
That was my initial impression too but I think I was missing her point, which as I understand it is that the importers paid the tarriffs to the government and may therefore be able to claim it back whereas the customers have paid the increased prices and won't get it back.
But I don’t think that’s accurate either. Businesses which have tariffs refunded but which won’t refund customers will not remain businesses for long.
 
But I don’t think that’s accurate either. Businesses which have tariffs refunded but which won’t refund customers will not remain businesses for long.

'm sure some businesses will try and reclaim it, and maybe individuals on particularly high value items, but every day consumer spending? I don't see it.
 
That was my initial impression too but I think I was missing her point, which as I understand it is that the importers paid the tarriffs to the government and may therefore be able to claim it back whereas the customers have paid the increased prices and won't get it back.
Thank you that was my point, I clearly expressed myself poorly. I didn't meant that purchasers wouldn't have to pay the cost of the tariff paid by the importer, but only the person (importer) who actually sends the cheque to Trump US government will potentially get a refund, the general consumer will be left with having had to pay for an illegal tariff and won't be compensated.
 
But I don’t think that’s accurate either. Businesses which have tariffs refunded but which won’t refund customers will not remain businesses for long.
I am sure some small businesses will be able to pass on the compensation in some way, probably as a voucher and not cash. However, if I have gone into a deli and paid cash for a nice Italian Primitivo wine, French Cheese and Swiss chocolates, I will have had to pay the cost of the tariff, but there is no way I will get the extra cost back if it is ruled illegal. The wholesaler / importer may pass on some compensation to the shop, I'm sure big chains will negotiate this with their suppliers, may be restaurants will be able to negotiate this with their regular suppliers, but as a diner who had a fancy Valentine's day dinner I will have paid the cost of the tariff but I really doubt the restaurant will be sending me a cheque.
 
Trump may be dead. Because the social media said so. And it is trending.
At 3:40 AM Trump posted about the "highly partisan appeal court." Hmm. Does not sound like him. No simple words like crooked. He must be dead!
 
Trump may be dead. Because the social media said so. And it is trending.
At 3:40 AM Trump posted about the "highly partisan appeal court." Hmm. Does not sound like him. No simple words like crooked. He must be dead!

As conspiracy theories go, "overweight and unhealthy eighty year old man dies" is hardly up there with "Aliens Built The Pyramids"
 

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