Will tariffs make America great?

Dabop said:
I'm surprised that 4% is as high as it is (maybe they are accounting for possible lost sales???) as the tariffs are entirely 'local' to the US- basically 100% 'should' be paid by the importer (who is in the US) and that increased cost would almost certainly be passed on to the end consumer...

Anyone who thinks that the manufacturer is going to pay the US government a single cent is completely bonkers lol
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Say you sell a product to the USA for $1.00. And you make a profit of 25 cents. US producers also make that product and can easily scale up production, you now must reduce your price or suffer a reduction in sales. You choose the former option. This is how a lot of people think the tariffs work. In reality its usually much more complicated. Do USA producers invest billions in new factories to take advantage of the tariffs, knowing that they might disappear one day. What about produce that cant even be grown in the USA? Rare earth minerals that we don't have? What about overcoming patents and trade secrets held by companies outside the US?
 
Dabop said:
I'm surprised that 4% is as high as it is (maybe they are accounting for possible lost sales???) as the tariffs are entirely 'local' to the US- basically 100% 'should' be paid by the importer (who is in the US) and that increased cost would almost certainly be passed on to the end consumer...

Anyone who thinks that the manufacturer is going to pay the US government a single cent is completely bonkers lol
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i think the 4% is a concession to maintain demand. the consumer may pay the tariffs but in aggregate they’ll just buy less stuff

the theory behind it is to make prices high enough that foreign goods are unappealing and a regional supplier is more appealing. obviously there’s a bunch of pitfalls to that we don’t need to go into. but a foreign supplier will give up some profit to keep the demand high, there’s a point where that’s cost effective to do so

most international businesses run tight margins so it’s not much they can eat
 
As I have mentioned before, the US market really isn't that big against 'TROTW' so the Chinese in particular really don't have to pander to trumps idiot ideas- Even if the US stopped ALL imports from China totally (which would be crippling to the US) that would still only be a drop of 13.6% of the total of Chinese exports- barely enough to make a manufacturer slightly uncomfortable...

The amount of sales drops the US tariffs cause to Chinese manufacturers would barely be noticeable at all... to them...
To the US consumer on the other hand- those tariffs are paid by THEM- so (assuming that trumps wildly exaggerated figures of 'trillions of dollars' ever came true)- NONE of that is paid by anyone overseas- it is all coming from US consumers....
 
Dabop said:
I'm surprised that 4% is as high as it is (maybe they are accounting for possible lost sales???) as the tariffs are entirely 'local' to the US- basically 100% 'should' be paid by the importer (who is in the US) and that increased cost would almost certainly be passed on to the end consumer...

Anyone who thinks that the manufacturer is going to pay the US government a single cent is completely bonkers lol
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The manufacturer could indirectly absorb part of the tariff by reducing the price so that the increase in price would be less than the tariff.
 
Dabop said:
As I have mentioned before, the US market really isn't that big against 'TROTW' so the Chinese in particular really don't have to pander to trumps idiot ideas- Even if the US stopped ALL imports from China totally (which would be crippling to the US) that would still only be a drop of 13.6% of the total of Chinese exports- barely enough to make a manufacturer slightly uncomfortable...

The amount of sales drops the US tariffs cause to Chinese manufacturers would barely be noticeable at all... to them...
To the US consumer on the other hand- those tariffs are paid by THEM- so (assuming that trumps wildly exaggerated figures of 'trillions of dollars' ever came true)- NONE of that is paid by anyone overseas- it is all coming from US consumers....
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Its not going to spread out evenly though. If the US stopped importing from China, completely, tomorrow then some Chinese businesses might have huge losses in volume while others barely any at all. You also need to answer the question of is the USA also putting a stop to all imports with Chinese components in them. For example, Vietnam is a major importer from China and exporter to the USA. Some of those exports to Vietnam are then part of components for USA export.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Its not going to spread out evenly though. If the US stopped importing from China, completely, tomorrow then some Chinese businesses might have huge losses in volume while others barely any at all. You also need to answer the question of is the USA also putting a stop to all imports with Chinese components in them. For example, Vietnam is a major importer from China and exporter to the USA. Some of those exports to Vietnam are then part of components for USA export.
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True, and it will then be up to those Chinese manufacturers to decide whether to reduce their prices (and profits- usually already at a minimum) or keep the same prices and find other markets (more likely imho)

Those using Chinese components to make their own product arent (usually in most places) aren't the target of tariffs (under trump- well who knows whats going through his tiny mind- whats left of it) and those just onselling/dropshipping will likely find they will have to reconsider whether its worthwhile doing so...
 
dirtywick said:

danes are dumping us treasuries for their pension funds


japanese selling off use treasuries has bessent nervous


is the rest of the world pivoting pretty hard away from us debt? seems like a possibility
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That must be fake. Bessent instructed everyone not to retaliate. It was a simple enough order.
 
Ah, but that's the beauty of the fascist system.
If you prosper it's due to the great leader.
If you suffer it's because of 'them', in Trump's case Biden, the Democrats, the media, transsexuals or any other country in the world not licking his boots.
 
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