Demarker chan
You asked Iaccahus about what Jesus meant by dividing and bring a sword in Matthew
I answered what I thought and included another opinion for some measure
You insisted that you didn’t want to hear Mr Henrys opinion but mine, (I have a feeling you think I probably do not have one of my own), however, I had already stated it.
So I re-answered your question as to what points like the sword and dividing a family meant.
Let’s be clear here DO NOT read subtle hints in my examples of what families do to each other, my brother and I are just fine (I have never told him what you imagine, in fact it really has not been discussed in so many words. There is an interesting thing that happened about us I could tell you). We are fine JUST like you and your mom are fine. That’s not the point of what I said, those are merely distractions.
Read what I said again and don’t try to apply it to yourself or me. If there was a million dollar challenge to prove families dont get along it would have been broke in the first 3 hours. And before you get the notion that I say all families fight all the time, no they don’t.
And Benguin Chan as well, I notice you both noticed the part about the sister going to Africa for Aids but both did not comment on that her motivation was this guy and his myth God. If you think it’s a myth god and were honest with yourself you would not approve because lets see she has taken out her brain and tossed it aside by believing.
So, once again what I posted is EXAMPLES for discussion, they should be reread in that manner, then go from there.
Originally posted by dmarker
I do understand what Jesus was saying; and he said it clearly.
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
A sword is a weapon of war. A sword is used to kill other humans and has never been used for other purposes.
Did Jesus ever carry a sword, When the soldiers ear was cut off did Jesus not put the ear back on. When Jesus cleared the Temple did He use a sword? When He was beat before going to die on the cross, did He resist, did He even say much? As a Lamb to slaughter.
Did Jesus speak in examples and parables, this statement is exactly that, Hes speaking of when your Dad hears you want to be a christian and hes thinks christians are girly men whimps and disowns you. Hes referring to that Muslim woman I spoke of whos husband will take away the children and leave her if she admits it.
Jesus refers to a sword because it will feel like your father has killed you when he withdrawns himself from you never to talk to you again and in fact maybe will speak against you to all you both know.
As people are so violently opposed to the teachings of Jesus, then they will turn that venum back on the one that believes in Jesus teachings.
10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
He has come to set family members on one another. I ask again, what kind of person would do such a thing?
Jesus isnt setting each against his own, He knows mans heart and again, what I just said above.
10:36
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Jesus will make a man's family turn on him. Have these men done anything to deserve this? Don't give me anything about "thieves and robbers" or "the families don't get along".
(theives and robbers was Iacchuss)
Families dont get along?? Siblings cant even agree on proper distribution of the back seat of a car on a trip. What if your sister decides to fall in love with a missionary, and they want to travel to africa to help in the Aids crisis? You are gonna see red, shes wasting her life with that guy following a myth.
People are turning on those who express a faith, why because those who profess a faith have admited they are wicked. Then when my brother hears that, he reflects it back to himself and assumes that I now am a goody goody.
Therefore my brother assumes he must be so wicked, he pays his taxes and lives a generally good life, and does not agree. So he gets mad at me because he feels "judged" by me.
When I was Never judging him. The conviction of his own wickedness is judging him, He knows this in the back of his heart but what to do with it?? He has a solution, do what I did by admiting it or ignoring it.
Humbleness is a forgotton trait, if one cannot be humble, one will never see that they are not fantastic in their own sight. Being totally honest with oneself.
Who has not lied at least once? maybe gotten mad at someone for personal gain? Looked at another while your signaficant other is elsewhere or even beside you? Cheated just a bit, made a story just a little better for drama?
When people are confronted with these things the first thought is not to spring to humbleness, even christians one has to work at it.
This is what Jesus is getting at when He states that He knows the hearts of men. And He is explaining the results of speaking to the people to his apostles and how self examination is the hardest thing for people to accept
10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
This really reminds me of "cult" thinking where the leader expects the members of the cult to give up close relatives to follow him.
Yes, cult leaders that take up the false position of being christ do say such things. They think they are Jesus. But tell me would one of them leave their position of importance? Then travel to another country and take the sentenace for its prisoners in the jail? Get beaten and die a excoriating death to be Jesus? Not a chance they would even leave their position of importance.
They claim to be Jesus and may even appear to be the best thing since sliced bread but, what do they do??? for anyone. What do they truly give of themselves?
They tell you to cut yourself off from your friends,
Jesus said your friends will hate having to face themselves so the friends and family will cut you off
if you had a sister how would I know it was an example.