Why church is so dangerous !!!

Trolling, trolling over the bounding main!

DFTT!!
Aw, but I don't have time for any serious discusssion, so I find the Trolls very entertaining. Not only that, but they give us insights into their perceptions about us.

Unless they really aren't serious, then they are just making themselves look bad. I mean, I'll get such a warped view of what religious folks really are like, and what they really think of atheists.

I still find it mind boggling that ANYONE could possibly think the earth is only 6,000 years old. Then I come here, and see all the crazy links to other people who actually try to figure the earth is so young. Some LIVING trees are almost 6,00 years old. Tree fossils are much much older than 6.000 years. Might as well believe the earth is still flat!

IF the earth were that young, and some people (like it says in the bible), lived thousands of years, then where are their remains? Those are very young remains. We have mummies older than 6.000 years. Man has been on this planet as a homo sapien for wayyy more than 6.000 years.

Meh, I could go on. See, this is fun and easy to explore! I didn't really have to spend much time on this. Now I can go make supper.
 
Congratulations, DJJ! You made it to "Fundies Say the Darndest Things!" :)

You're an early runner for "Fundie of the Month"!

I dunno if that link works so well... http://www.fstdt.com//vote.asp?id=20478&value=5

That quote has me scratching my head. See, where in the bible does it say plants and animals were on the planet for billions of years with no sun?

Maybe he was tring to say that in Genesis the plants and animals were made at the same time as the sun, and we evolutionists are nuts for saying the earth had no plants or animals on the earth's surface for a few billion years.

Since evolution did start in the oceans, and then the land was colonized later.

Hey, is there an "evolutionists say the darndest" things site. That would be interesting.
 
DJJ, I think your post #57 missed my point. Yes, on the whole ministers are careful to adhere to denominational dogma, but implying that they do so to preserve a lifestyle seems to me ludicrous. Most of these people are making financial sacrifices to do what they do, and I believe they are doing it for the right reasons (if not with proper reasoning).
 
Hey, some good sermon material here!

This semen is annointed and does do the annointing .... 1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.The oil is the semen within the horn, the penis, and it gives life and LIGHT. For horns were also used as vessels to hold oil, that would be lit to give light.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/HornyHornofDavid.html
 
But didn't Jesus say he would build his church? So if churches are evil, what does that say about what Jesus did?
 
Congratulations, DJJ! You made it to "Fundies Say the Darndest Things!" :)

You're an early runner for "Fundie of the Month"!

Actaully I am a missionary for life, the fundies attacked me three times and yet they put me in jail three times. Call me a devil, , a sexist, a druggie or any ot f the various name calling slurs that I have been labelled here with but please please please not a fundie, for I could never ever never endure their church programs of bondage. nor their hard core people. We just don't get along. Give me the natural and normal and hormonal, and maybe we can be spiritual together.

But seeing you hate Christian missionaries, please go to your lowest level and call me one of those. I don;t mind that at all. Jay the Christian missionary who knows his science and math and real life biology. I accept your nomination, for that horrid label in your opinion, in my opinion it is an honor and a priviledge.
 
But didn't Jesus say he would build his church? So if churches are evil, what does that say about what Jesus did?

Kopjii, we are the temple of God not a bunch of stones and archways and a devoid church system that is into bondage rather than liberation. For it was the church system of jesus day that killed him out of jealousy. jesus was setting the people free from the church system and so they hated his guts for doing this and got him killed by the Romans.

Jesus temple is our bodies, for they are sacred and divine and made for love.

The church system is made for the opposite and encourages the opposite of love.... WAR. Not all but most...

And do remeber also not all church people are devoid but most. For the longer you stay under that deception the more the lies sink IN, and estroy your soul.

Jesus not church brings freedom. Church systems are dangerous..
 
DJJ, I think your post #57 missed my point. Yes, on the whole ministers are careful to adhere to denominational dogma, but implying that they do so to preserve a lifestyle seems to me ludicrous. Most of these people are making financial sacrifices to do what they do, and I believe they are doing it for the right reasons (if not with proper reasoning).

Partially true Autumn, the lower level pastors do make sacrifices in the West, whereas the majority of western missionaries live like kings from their home church support and do very very little in most cases, not all cases.

Let me give you the stats.... as how the church system destroys idealistic pastors within years... Ha and I might as well throw in my introduction from our newsgroup.... as we should try and win these lost pastors back to the Lord...

The system worldly church totally discourages the GREAT MAJORITY of
ne pastors from their idealism, even though the Lord's voice should
have been telling them this throughout their church years and
training in cemeteries... and I do mean cemeteries in most cases...

So brethren, to these lost and discouraged pastors and their wives
(and their children) should be another one of our focuses in winning
the lost. Not just to the outsiders who have never known the Lord and
just believe in love, but also to the church people and even thier
lost and discouraged pastors. They have so much to relearn about what
the Lord really taught and lived, and yet there is hope if we give
them true love and are liberated in the LORD.

For below are the statistics of what happens to these possible
brethren of ours after they leave the church cemeteries, and head out
into the pastoral fields. It's so sad, but some of them can be
reached before their lives for the Lord are completely wasted.

They may not know where it IS, but some of them can truly testify
that they know where it 'AIN'T at, and that's in the worldly church.

Let's win'em with love. Amen ?

_____________________________________________

Regarding Pastors....
Fifteen hundred pastors leave the ministry each month due to moral
failure, spiritual burnout or contention in their churches.

Four thousand new churches begin each year, but over seven thousand
churches close.

Fifty percent of pastors' marriages will end in divorce.

Eighty percent of pastors and eighty-four percent of their spouses
feel unqualified and discouraged in their role as pastors.

Fifty percent of pastors are so discouraged that they would leave the
ministry if they could, but have no other way of making a living.

Eighty percent of seminary and Bible school graduates who enter the
ministry will leave the ministry within the first five years. Ninety
percent of pastors said their seminary or Bible school training did
only a fair to poor job preparing them for ministry.

Eighty-five percent of pastors said their greatest problem is they
are sick and tired of dealing with problem people, such as
disgruntled elders, deacons, worship leaders, worship teams, board
members, and associate pastors. Ninety percent said the hardest thing
about ministry is dealing with uncooperative people.

Seventy percent of pastors feel grossly underpaid.

Ninety percent said the ministry was completely different to what
they thought it would be before they entered the ministry.

Seventy percent felt God called them to pastoral ministry before
their ministry began, but after three years of ministry, only fifty
percent still felt called.

Regarding Pastors' Wives....

Eighty percent of pastors' spouses feel their spouse is overworked.

Eighty percent of pastor' wives feel left out and unappreciated by
the church members.

Eighty percent of pastors' spouses wish their spouse would choose
another profession.

Eighty percent of pastors' wives feel pressured to do things and be
something in the church that they are really not.

The majority of pastor's wives surveyed said that the most
destructive event that has occurred in their marriage and family was
the day they entered the ministry.

Regarding Pastors' Marriages....

Seventy percent of pastors constantly fight depression.

Almost forty percent polled said they have had an extra-marital
affair since beginning their ministry.

Regarding Pastors' Children....

Eighty percent of adult children of pastors surveyed have had to seek
professional help for depression.

What's wrong with this picture? (End of excerpt)

________________________________________________________________
 
It so sad that this horrible church system destorys those that truly do have diealism and love for real people. Only those that truly break free and become independant and individualistic like Jesus showed make it to the End.

So do pray that these good people and good brethren make it in a very rude and crude and heartless world of those that despise love and truth
 
Okay, DJJ, just to jump in so you don't get overwhelmed by rational response, you have not given a single source for your "stats". Being fair, I did not give any souce for my assertion that local ministers were not wealthy, but anecdotal evidence can accumulate to the point of it being used in an inductive argument. Most people who have grown up in America have known of the local pastor or minister or priest, all well meaning individuals making sacrifices for what they believe. I will cede my inductive argument to yours when you provide inductive (all the ministers me and my friends have known have been demonstrably corrupt or driven by hierarchical demands, so any ministers that I now encounter are the same) arguments that are equally predictive of current events (most local ministers living very simply because that is the natureof the calling), as the alternative (most local ministers living very simply to fool us into swallowing their dictated mandates).
 
We don't hate you David, but why not just tear it all down and start over? This seems like an idea that would be labeled Pagans for Jesus instead of Jews for Jesus.

Would you know anything about Jesus at all if not for the 'church' hierarchy? You seem to be willing to enjoy the benefits of churches, while professing what they do is bad.

Churches promote myth as fact, and they do this by teaching that something called revelation exists, and there is a deity that can communicate to humans. If you teach that too, then you are merely a church of one.
 
He's trying SO hard to believe that it physically hurts him!

Dude, get help. Seriously.
 
Actaully I am a missionary for life, the fundies attacked me three times and yet they put me in jail three times. Call me a devil, , a sexist, a druggie or any ot f the various name calling slurs that I have been labelled here with but please please please not a fundie, for I could never ever never endure their church programs of bondage. nor their hard core people. We just don't get along. Give me the natural and normal and hormonal, and maybe we can be spiritual together.

But seeing you hate Christian missionaries, please go to your lowest level and call me one of those. I don;t mind that at all. Jay the Christian missionary who knows his science and math and real life biology. I accept your nomination, for that horrid label in your opinion, in my opinion it is an honor and a priviledge.
Except that you know hardly anything about science or maths, and I doubt you know much about biology (which is, of course, a science).
 
Okay, DJJ, just to jump in so you don't get overwhelmed by rational response, you have not given a single source for your "stats". Being fair, I did not give any souce for my assertion that local ministers were not wealthy, but anecdotal evidence can accumulate to the point of it being used in an inductive argument. Most people who have grown up in America have known of the local pastor or minister or priest, all well meaning individuals making sacrifices for what they believe. I will cede my inductive argument to yours when you provide inductive (all the ministers me and my friends have known have been demonstrably corrupt or driven by hierarchical demands, so any ministers that I now encounter are the same) arguments that are equally predictive of current events (most local ministers living very simply because that is the natureof the calling), as the alternative (most local ministers living very simply to fool us into swallowing their dictated mandates).

I don;t know the source Autumn as it was an article sent to me by someone else and they didn;t put the source. but then again skeptics will deny sources even though it is common sense if they lived in the real world and really knew churches and how they operate. I know them from meeting their members on the street basically and from their percsecutions as I personnally wouldn;t go to any church meetings, they usually wreck havoc on the soul and are demeaning in their bondages.
 
Except that you know hardly anything about science or maths, and I doubt you know much about biology (which is, of course, a science).

Unlike yourself Wolley, I have found that connected up the dots of life by putting together the DESIGN of life and life forces and gathering with normal natural people is thrilling and educational. I know biology from the theory taught me in university, when I got my degree but much much more from real life and real girls and real people. I am not much into theory like you, I like the real deal and making sure theories work and fit together.

Church isolates and separates and destroys like non-integrated science that you were taught and yet still espouse.

Please keep this thread about the dam church system rather than science. Although you can mention that the dam church system fights true science and true knowledge..... just as the education system does.
 
We don't hate you David, but why not just tear it all down and start over? This seems like an idea that would be labeled Pagans for Jesus instead of Jews for Jesus.

Would you know anything about Jesus at all if not for the 'church' hierarchy? You seem to be willing to enjoy the benefits of churches, while professing what they do is bad.

Churches promote myth as fact, and they do this by teaching that something called revelation exists, and there is a deity that can communicate to humans. If you teach that too, then you are merely a church of one.

K, I know Jesus from experience not theory, I tried and proved that his principles work in real life, but if you love the churches and thier dementia, do keep fighting me and the real life principles.

I don't mind if you like churchies and the church system, We all have to choose. Your choice your responsibility..
 
Yes Steverino, they wanted the oil access route, the war against terrorism was just the excuse to invade the country, but in Iraq, they just straight forward wanted the opil for their economy even if the war is breaking their economy.

Gosh, I'd so like to have my own private fantasy-world, too.
 
Actaully I am a missionary for life, the fundies attacked me three times and yet they put me in jail three times. Call me a devil, , a sexist, a druggie or any ot f the various name calling slurs that I have been labelled here with but please please please not a fundie, for I could never ever never endure their church programs of bondage. nor their hard core people. We just don't get along. Give me the natural and normal and hormonal, and maybe we can be spiritual together.

But seeing you hate Christian missionaries, please go to your lowest level and call me one of those. I don;t mind that at all. Jay the Christian missionary who knows his science and math and real life biology. I accept your nomination, for that horrid label in your opinion, in my opinion it is an honor and a priviledge.

You're starting to sound like Christophera back in the conspiracy subforum.

Jesus not church brings freedom.

I absolutely, wholeheartedly disagree.

I don;t know the source Autumn as it was an article sent to me by someone else and they didn;t put the source. but then again skeptics will deny sources even though it is common sense

I'm going to risk beign hated for repeating myself, but you might have noticed that your "common sense" tells you that the earth is flat.

Unlike yourself Wolley, I have found that connected up the dots of life by putting together the DESIGN of life and life forces and gathering with normal natural people is thrilling and educational.

Yes, and everyone that "connects the dots" somehow reaches a different and conveniently comforting, personal conclusion.

K, I know Jesus from experience not theory

Excellent. Then you have actual empirical proof ?
 

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