Why church is so dangerous !!!

[Davidjayjordan]

I do realise that this is a paradox of free will but I simply look at it as someone else actually inflicting their free will on you. Similar to any victim of crime. I'm just far more comfortable with the concept of free will as opposed to divine inspiration.

I still consider it free will when someone uses their free will to usurp the free will of someone else. I suppose the brainwashed person is still acting on free will they are just equipped with poor information.

I'm not big on philosophy so I don't lose much sleep over it.

You got it right, Jim.. Free Will is the BASIS of life, so knowing this can give you sleep and rest.

We all have to choose and make decisions and take the responsibilities for our actions and lack of them. Divine predestination is a total crock thopught up by churches to excuse them and elevate others into god like status such as worship of the one race that supposedly is the socalled chosen race. Even though by law we are not allowed to mention who that race is, or what that nation is called. And if you don;t know what and who I am referring to... I really can't tell you.

So predestination is a fallacy that denies choice and free will for if there is anything that is true, its that the Lord is pro FREE CHOICE and hates it when people take that right away from others and try to control them or even worse kill them.

Free will to usurp someone's else free will like rape may be FREE WILL but there are earthly and heavenly judgments against such free will. Free will means responsibility and a future reaping of what we have sown via our FREE WILL IMO

 

[steverino]

But most churches favour nationalism and the war, even Canada as they are now sending troops to die for oil in Afghanistan and are being used as puppets.

Oil in Afghanistan? You mean the pipeline thinggy? I thought both sides of the aisle were for that war.

 

[Steve]

Oil in Afghanistan?

That occurred to me too, but I could not be bothered to post a comment - I would have been wasting my time.

 

[kitakaze]

Kitakaze

I hope you get out from under that cloud bust, but maybe if you are in your birthday suit, it does bring you some enjoyment temporarily. But do be aware that eventually your member will shrivel and be less useful as with time you will have to use your upper head and brain much more.

Oh, you know, when it rains it pours.

Somewhere in the world right now there are men/women who can't lead a happy life because of the sexual abuse they suffered from a church official, men/women who curse what they see as oppression by the faithful, men/women who curse what they see as oppression by the faithless, men/women who are preparing to die and kill others for their faith, men/women who are distraught because they can't find their place in the world, men/women who are raising up beautiful voices in praise and thanks to their god(s), men/women who are shouting in harsh voices of infidels, men/women praying in soft voices for a second chance, men/women swearing to God never to do it again, men/women helping someone in need without promise of reward or allegiance, men/women who couldn't care less...

Stop me when an appreciation for the human condition overrides the anger.

 

[JonnyFive]

But most churches favour nationalism and the war, even Canada as they are now sending troops to die for oil in Afghanistan and are being used as puppets.

I know you absolutely hate it when people ask you this (per your other thread), but can you perhaps provide some kind of evidence that this is a true statement?

What oil is there in Afghanistan?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Oil in Afghanistan? You mean the pipeline thinggy? I thought both sides of the aisle were for that war.

Yes Steverino, they wanted the oil access route, the war against terrorism was just the excuse to invade the country, but in Iraq, they just straight forward wanted the opil for their economy even if the war is breaking their economy.

And the deplorable antigod christian church system has always sided with nationalism and war, because their love is for their greed, rather than for the Lord. The vast majority of churches are evil and very dangerous. They promote warfare that kills millions. They make man made laws against love and yet promote warfar that kills.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Oh, you know, when it rains it pours.

Somewhere in the world right now there are men/women who can't lead a happy life because of the sexual abuse they suffered from a church official, men/women who curse what they see as oppression by the faithful, men/women who curse what they see as oppression by the faithless, men/women who are preparing to die and kill others for their faith, men/women who are distraught because they can't find their place in the world, men/women who are raising up beautiful voices in praise and thanks to their god(s), men/women who are shouting in harsh voices of infidels, men/women praying in soft voices for a second chance, men/women swearing to God never to do it again, men/women helping someone in need without promise of reward or allegiance, men/women who couldn't care less...

Stop me when an appreciation for the human condition overrides the anger.

A little confusing, Bro, but I think you have something to say, and I probably agree with you, if you make it a little plainer. Thanks.

But that FIRST sentence is RIGHT ON and should be shouter from the house tops and more..

Somewhere in the world right now there are men/women who can't lead a happy life because of the sexual abuse they suffered from a church official,
men/women

The church and their frustrated officials and ministers generally do abuse kids and adults, mainly because they are anti-sex, anti natural, and have made up insane man made laws to control people rather than liberate them.

 

[Kochanski]

A little confusing, Bro, but I think you have something to say, and I probably agree with you, if you make it a little plainer. Thanks.

Ok, did anyone else just spray their monitor?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Kitakaze

I hope you get out from under that cloud bust, but maybe if you are in your birthday suit, it does bring you some enjoyment temporarily. But do be aware that eventually your member will shrivel and be less useful as with time you will have to use your upper head and brain much more.

Oh yes, the discharge is now insults. Are we nearing completion yet?


Still no tag for diarrhea?

 

[wollery]

Ok, did anyone else just spray their monitor?

Yes.

 

[autumn1971]

DJJ, in post 20 you speak of a pastor of priest who speaks outside the lines by claiming "Any deviation will lead instantly to excommunication and a career will be lost forever". What? Do you honestly think that local pastors and ministers are in it for the money? As much as I dislike the overall structure of religious institutions, local preachers are not living opulent lives and laughing it up in bars having got one over on the congregation. These people (and here I am speaking of non-charismatic denominations) live on fairly meagre incomes, and given their education, would earn much more by, for instance, being a teacher or local politician.

 

[Zep]

Churches aren't dangerous.

Unless they get drunk, buy a gun, and drive without a license.

 

[Zep]

Why Churches are so Dangerous
Churches and church people are not supposed to be dangerous. Right? Well not so, as Jesus’ own life verified. For who had the Lord of Lord crucified?

...[snip] yadda yadda yadda, word salad, random dictionary stuff...[/snip]


so we have to have patience with all individually until they prove otherwise. But as for the religious worldly church system ... it is hopeless as the Lord said.... IMO

Have you got a hobby? Something to get you out of the house now and then? Something to stop you hitting the Submit Reply button BEFORE you check this stuff for spelling and grammatical errors. And more particularly, to ensure it has some actual content to it.

And are you currently being medicated? If so, please give us a clue what it is - it helps us frame the responses appropriately.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Oh yes, the discharge is now insults. Are we nearing completion yet?


Still no tag for diarrhea?

Eos, I was just showing Kit who was in the shower in his picture, the principle of him reaping what he sowed, and so I posted accordingly with a real life truth about staying under a shower toooo long

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Have you got a hobby? Something to get you out of the house now and then? Something to stop you hitting the Submit Reply button BEFORE you check this stuff for spelling and grammatical errors. And more particularly, to ensure it has some actual content to it.

And are you currently being medicated? If so, please give us a clue what it is - it helps us frame the responses appropriately.

I think I filled out my interests in my profile and put golf, fishing, and sex, but not necessarily in that order.

Nah, I don;t do drugs, never have, but I do like my beer or wine when dancing and romancing and maybe when conversing with the good hearted and the humouress and the pure, who may or may not be so beautiful until I have enough of the afore mentioned elixirs.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Jesusmadewine.html

And then compare that to the sober controling demanding man made dictums of the false church, even though in the spirit the Lord says they are true drunkards and vile.
Rev. 17,18

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I mean what is more gratifying than a hole in one with a beautiful stroke. or catching a fish, vesica pisces with a rod.

The third interest I can't post about we can't really discuss that much as that is against the rules, so some of the mysteries of the Universe we will have to find out in private. Oh well we can all still think about the harmony of the ages and the union of opposites in bliss, even the dam church can't stop us from doing what comes natural in private.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

DJJ, in post 20 you speak of a pastor of priest who speaks outside the lines by claiming "Any deviation will lead instantly to excommunication and a career will be lost forever". What? Do you honestly think that local pastors and ministers are in it for the money? As much as I dislike the overall structure of religious institutions, local preachers are not living opulent lives and laughing it up in bars having got one over on the congregation. These people (and here I am speaking of non-charismatic denominations) live on fairly meagre incomes, and given their education, would earn much more by, for instance, being a teacher or local politician.

Hi Autumn, thanks for posting sincerely.

Yes all church pastors are under great scrutiny from their hired boards of church elders, to follow church guidelines to the hilt. Just one sermon not approved can literally get them fired and they can be out of a job. Loose all the time at cemetries they invested and be chucked onto the streets without funding, and their whole families as well. The churches are absolutely heartless when they deem an action or a word violates their holy dogma's.

We got excommunicasted for complaining and writing to superiors about serious sexual abuse that caused tremendous harm and possibly even deaths by suicide. And so we were silenced and yet that excommunication just meant we stayed on as missionaries with no home support etc... and we jus carried on.

But let me give you another example, of a pastor who started a whole bible college. We meet him as they had a fish pond beside ours. He got caught kissing the church secretary, and so they wanted to banish him immediately in a mock trial and cast his whole family on the streets. Yet he established the college, funded it through his hard work and was the administrator and main teacher. And one loving kiss and BOOM they wanted his death.

That's just a glimpse of how vile they truly can be in their self righteousness. jesus was not wrong when blasting them in Mathew 23...

Those dam scribes and pharisees.... and they are still here and running the churches...

But you should also know that over seas missionaries, not all but for the most part, MOST live in opulence as they believe wealth is a sign of godliness and brings in converts who want wealth also.... and so they DO live in luxury and yet usually only work ONE DAY a week. Believe it or not. I know from seeing it... But do also note, there are a few real missionaries on the field that DO a great and a sacrifical JOB. God bless them but they are the minority.

 

[kitakaze]

Eos, I was just showing Kit who was in the shower in his picture, the principle of him reaping what he sowed, and so I posted accordingly with a real life truth about staying under a shower toooo long

Actually, David, my avatar shows Rutger Hauer portraying Roy Batty. A 'replicant' human being constructed by man to serve our purposes whom rebels against his enslavers and seeks to confront his creator in a bid for more life but in finding his effort in vain murders said creator with great remorse. He's seen beauty beyond human experience and is more 'human' than any of us yet in the end he realizes the futility of his violence and consigns himself to his brief mortality, offering us a glimpse of our own in the process.

In your anger towards churches you lose much of an insight in to the human condition.

Was there a trauma you or someone close to you suffered related to a church to make you feel this way?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Hm. Lack of reading comprehension and varying assumptions. Methinks I would find Davidjayjordan so very annoying in real life too.

The posts are very mishmashed, as though he looked up a ton of words to intersperse within his postings, in attempt to appear intelligent. Nice try, but too obvious.

I don't look up words, so often wonder if I'm using them correctly. Like that word "intersperse" in the above. I hope my posts make more sense than Djj's.

I'm confused about the bashing of churches, but the defence of the bible. Aren't churches built so that humans can express the bible to the masses? Maybe if the bible weren't such a mess, then churches would make more sense?

 

[fuelair]

Trolling, trolling over the bounding main!

DFTT!!