Why church is so dangerous !!!

[Davidjayjordan]

RandFan isn't the source of the bull****, he's merely identifying it as such.

But let's look at the inspiration for his remark:



RandFan pointed out that there are members of this forum who are believers and are also well respected. I also pointed out this same fact to you in the recent past but you seem to have ignored it. You seem to ignore much information that you do not find convenient. So how 'bout it? How can you claim that all believers are persecuted in this forum when there are clearly believers who are not (Hint: Saying to someone "I disagree with you about that" is not persecution).

religions come in all forms, and as mentioned evolutionists are religionists, athiests are religionists, and false skeptics have a congregation and are religionists.....

Even the nothing people group together and worship nothing and so are religionists with great FAITH.

But the determining factor is what is being worshipped.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Why do you people love church so much, why are you so dependant on others for your FAITH?. Why not find truths to stand on rather than standing on nothing?

Why not become an individual and stop being a groupie of a group with mere group FAITH ?

Why not have the courage to discern every individual thought, doctrine, lie, half truth by conscious effort rather than swallowing them so easily.

Why not understand that church is dangerous, even if they say it is Christian. Why not go to the source..JESUS and see the difference. ?

 

[jond]

Why do you people love church so much, why are you so dependant on others for your FAITH?. Why not find truths to stand on rather than standing on nothing?

Why not become an individual and stop being a groupie of a group with mere group FAITH ?

Why not have the courage to discern every individual thought, doctrine, lie, half truth by conscious effort rather than swallowing them so easily.

Why not understand that church is dangerous, even if they say it is Christian. Why not go to the source..JESUS and see the difference. ?

Yes, Church can be VERY dangerous. Especially the Church of DJJ.

 

[Foster Zygote]

religions come in all forms, and as mentioned evolutionists are religionists, athiests are religionists, and false skeptics have a congregation and are religionists.....

Even the nothing people group together and worship nothing and so are religionists with great FAITH.

But the determining factor is what is being worshipped.

Are you trying to change the subject because you cannot defend your claim that people with religious beliefs are persecuted on this forum, or did you mistakenly reply to my post with a response meant for another post? I ask this because the above does not address the issue of your claims of persecution.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Why do you people love church so much, why are you so dependant on others for your FAITH?. Why not find truths to stand on rather than standing on nothing?

Why not become an individual and stop being a groupie of a group with mere group FAITH ?

Why not have the courage to discern every individual thought, doctrine, lie, half truth by conscious effort rather than swallowing them so easily.

Why not understand that church is dangerous, even if they say it is Christian. Why not go to the source..JESUS and see the difference. ?

Do you really fail to see the irony in telling us to think like individuals while you preach to us about what we should believe?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Do you really fail to see the irony in telling us to think like individuals while you preach to us about what we should believe?

A man convinced against His Will
Is of the same opinion still.

I am just HERE to give most a different viewpoint than they are used to. if they choose to meet Jesus and their minds get changed so be it.

Their Free Will, their choices....

We are all teachers and preachers.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Weareallteachers.html

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[RandFan]

We are all teachers and preachers.

That's one of the great problems. So many preachers but so few students. Skepticism calls for questioning one's world view. Many if not most of us on this forum are willing to do that. You on the other hand David seem to be like all of those other church goers. Just because you don't go to church doesn't mean you are a skeptic.

You: No evidence could ever change my mind.
Muslim Fanatic: No evidence could ever change my mind.
Christian Fanatic: No evidence could ever change my mind.
Scientology Fanatic: No evidence could ever change my mind.
Me: Show me the evidence and if it is compelling I will change my mind.

 

[Macoy]

We are all teachers and preachers.
...

you are the latter, but never the former - unless you are a teacher of zen

 

[bruto]

you are the latter, but never the former - unless you are a teacher of zen

Considering at least my own actual opinion of his arguments and the wacked-out potpourri of paranoid fantasies and fabricated nonsense that he passes off as ideas, and my opinion of the intelligence and character (or lack thereof) shown in his posts here, I can safely say that one thing he teaches is forbearance. Because if I actually expressed my opinion in words appropriate to the subject, no nook or cranny of rule 8 would remain untested.

 

[temporalillusion]

So being fairly new, how long a leash do below-bridge dwelling folk like DJJ usually get before being shown the door?

 

[bruto]

So being fairly new, how long a leash do below-bridge dwelling folk like DJJ usually get before being shown the door?

From what I've seen, he can voice just about any opinion, no matter how silly, incendiary or insane, and troll away as long as he doesn't breach the rules, which are pretty clear. Whether DJJ can resist the temptation to continue testing Rule 6 until he gets suspended again or banned remains to be seen.

 

[Kochanski]

temporalillusion, people here have to commit a breach of the rules to be kicked out. Trolls usually just get kitty pictures and recipes (often the recipes actually involve kittens). So, since we haven't had a kitty pic in a while on DJJ's thread it is time for a kitty.

 

[Macoy]

So being fairly new, how long a leash do below-bridge dwelling folk like DJJ usually get before being shown the door?

can;t let him out in case he frightens the neighbours.

 

[bruto]

temporalillusion, people here have to commit a breach of the rules to be kicked out. Trolls usually just get kitty pictures and recipes (often the recipes actually involve kittens). So, since we haven't had a kitty pic in a while on DJJ's thread it is time for a kitty.

Note that the kitten is twisted with the agony of doubt, his fiendish yellow eyes glowing with demonic spite. It's obviously a false-skeptic, church-duped Jesus scorning insult cat. Aren't hell kittens reportable for something?

 

[O Green World]

Ok...since I'm new here, I think I'll try to type within the title of this thread.
Personally, I DO think churches are dangerous, not because of the inner cult nit-picking that goes on. I could care less about that. However I do think its dangerous to society as a whole to have a child's developing mind clouded by worries of an imaginary sky man and what he thinks of their doings, tho I do apply this to all religions.
Thats my two-cents.
P.S. I know I didn't read every single post, I'm sorry my bad.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Ok...since I'm new here, I think I'll try to type within the title of this thread.
Personally, I DO think churches are dangerous, not because of the inner cult nit-picking that goes on. I could care less about that. However I do think its dangerous to society as a whole to have a child's developing mind clouded by worries of an imaginary sky man and what he thinks of their doings, tho I do apply this to all religions.
Thats my two-cents.
P.S. I know I didn't read every single post, I'm sorry my bad.

O Green, Yes telling kids about an imaginary imaginary sky man is not helpful but telling them of a loving Creator who created all things for love is truly helpful, otherwise children can grow up and become foolish posters who post like foolish children. I hope you don;t become one of them....

For YES, Green the imaginary church is extremely dangerous, the real one of love is not.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

So being fairly new, how long a leash do below-bridge dwelling folk like DJJ usually get before being shown the door?

I realise you are new to the rules, but calling me a below bridge dwelling folk is a violation, you can say my ideas dwell below bridges, but not me personnally.

Be objective not subjective and follow the rules. But then again the heathen seldom follow any rules only those they make up for themselves.

And YES, I would think posting recipes and kitten pictures would easily be deemed spamming... as it attemopts to destroy a thread and the discussion.

 

[strathmeyer]

Why do you people love church so much, why are you so dependant on others for your FAITH?. Why not find truths to stand on rather than standing on nothing?

Davidjayjordan, who are "you people"? What makes you think they love church so much?

 

[bruto]

I realise you are new to the rules, but calling me a below bridge dwelling folk is a violation, you can say my ideas dwell below bridges, but not me personnally.

On a forum such as this, we know only what you reveal. If your behavior is the behavior of a troll it's up to the administrators to determine if the designation is a reportable insult. By all means report it if your feelings are hurt. Since trolling is not actually a rule violation, the degree of insult might be smaller than you would like.

Be objective not subjective and follow the rules. But then again the heathen seldom follow any rules only those they make up for themselves.

that's a rich bit of congnitive dissonance. In one sentence you say to be objective, and not deal out insults, and then groundlessly, subjectively, insult all who disagree with you. Good work, and entirely in character.

And YES, I would think posting recipes and kitten pictures would easily be deemed spamming... as it attemopts to destroy a thread and the discussion.

Only if you redefine the word "spamming" as you redefine almost every other word as it suits you to.

 

[Glen.Nogami]

Why do you people love church so much, why are you so dependant on others for your FAITH?. Why not find truths to stand on rather than standing on nothing?

I reiterate, and read this over a few times so that you finally get it:

We do not love churches, or the church system. As skeptics and atheists, most of us dislike it.

Disagreeing with you does not mean that we agree with the object of your ire.

Why not become an individual and stop being a groupie of a group with mere group FAITH ?

It definitely helps your point when you put miscellaneous words in capitals. Good tactic.

Why not have the courage to discern every individual thought, doctrine, lie, half truth by conscious effort rather than swallowing them so easily.

We're skeptics. We swallow very little easily. Saying the same thing over and over again does not make it so.

Why not understand that church is dangerous, even if they say it is Christian. Why not go to the source..JESUS and see the difference. ?

Church is dangerous, yes. Religion is dangerous, in many cases. JESUS was not the son of any god, because there is no such thing as god.

Why not go to the source and realize that there is nothing there?