Who started both World Wars?

[dafydd]

Here is Nick Griffin making a dick of himself on the BBC's Question Time.This is why his party did so badly during the recent election.He was exposed as the brain dead racist that he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIHNJP9e9EQ

 

[dafydd]

We will monitor that you stick with your promise.

You,sunshine,you.Not we.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Why would I be recovering? You think I am either Argentinian, English or Australian?

You once denied (I believe) you were American. Combining your nickname with your probably autochtone level of English, although some doubts remain since your posts hardly ever are longer than 1-2 lines, led me to suspect that you are probably British (or maybe Dutch?). You could of course tell us, but if you don't want to, for instance because you are ashamed of your identity, then don't.

That's not what I asked. I asked if you had read the book. The edition you've just linked to has a different title to the one you copy-pasted.

Of course not. I posted the quote in #340 "Emrys Hughes, "Winston Churchill, His Career in War and Peace" p. 145"

The link I posted in #349: http://www.amazon.com/Winston-Churchill-British-bulldog-career/dp/B0006ATSO8 The corresponding title says "Winston Churchill: British bulldog;: His career in war and peace"

Probable identical, would you not agree?

Here's another quote from Emrys Hughes' book:

In 1935 Churchill said: "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated I hope we could find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations".

You probably want to make a point. Maybe you want to go the extra mile and tell what the point is your are trying to make. I can guess it, but when I make that guess explicit you are going to say you meant something different.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I seem to remember a well-known Jew holding that occupation. A lot of Aryans think a lot of him too, though they prefer not to remember he was Jewish. Funny, that.

I have that Carpenter removed from my system altogether. I promise you that my next religion will be totally asemitic. Not anti-, not filo- but a-semitic.

But I guess you take my word for it.

 

[dafydd]

You once denied (I believe) you were American. Combining your nickname with your probably autochtone level of English, although some doubts remain since your posts hardly ever are longer than 1-2 lines, led me to suspect that you are probably British (or maybe Dutch?). You could of course tell us, but if you don't want to, for instance because you are ashamed of your identity, then don't.



Of course not. I posted the quote in #340 "Emrys Hughes, "Winston Churchill, His Career in War and Peace" p. 145"

The link I posted in #349: http://www.amazon.com/Winston-Churchill-British-bulldog-career/dp/B0006ATSO8 The corresponding title says "Winston Churchill: British bulldog;: His career in war and peace"

Probable identical, would you not agree?



You probably want to make a point. Maybe you want to go the extra mile and tell what the point is your are trying to make. I can guess it, but when I make that guess explicit you are going to say you meant something different.

So we can take it as read that you haven't read the book.

 

[Thunder]

Fact: German Jews volunteered for military service during WW1, at a higher percentage then their Christian counterparts. Where does this info come from? The German military did a study after the war to prove that the Jews had betrayed Germany, and they found that to the contrary, the Jews had served and fought valiently. The study was not widely published as it was an embarrassment to the military.

So it anything, it was not the Jews who betrayed Germany, but Germany who betrayed the Jews.

 

[9/11-investigator]

My great-Aunt's last name is Zimmerman. She is a Jew.

So you are possibly as well. That would explain that lion you maintain as your avatar.

I am glad that she still is a Jew, implying that she survived the H-word, assuming she was in Europe at the time.

Send her my best regards, will you.

 

[dafydd]

So you are possibly as well. That would explain that lion you maintain as your avatar.

I am glad that she still is a Jew, implying that she survived the H-word, assuming she was in Europe at the time.

Send her my best regards, will you.

Ach y fi.

 

[dudalb]

It also has to be remembered that the "Black Tom" explosion in New York Harbour seems to validate the contents of the Zimmerman letter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tom_explosion

Then there was this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Larsen_affair

Germany also had had a presence in Mexico for many years. The Mexican Government had hired several retired German Officers as advisers to try to modernize their military,as did several of the individual Warlords after Mexico plunged into Chaos in 1912. "The Wild Bunch " is pretty damn accurate on that point.

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator
So you are possibly as well. That would explain that lion you maintain as your avatar.

I am glad that she still is a Jew, implying that she survived the H-word, assuming she was in Europe at the time.

Send her my best regards, will you.

she was killed by a truck, while crossing the street, 6 years ago.

her first husband and two children were killed by the Nazis. then her brother was killed by the Soviets in 1952 (Slansky Trials).

she came to New York, married again, and raised two kids who went to Harvard and Yale and became very successful doctors. you could only wish to be as strong and courageous as my great-aunt was.

 

[9/11-investigator]

All I can say is somebody who pontificates on World War One and then turns out not to have heard of the Zimmerman Telegram has shot themsleves in the foot big time.

You will be surprised to learn that Buchanan does not mention the Zimmermann telegram anywhere in his latest book.

Probably not that big an issue.

 

[excaza]

You will be surprised to learn that Buchanan does not mention the Zimmermann telegram anywhere in his latest book.

Probably not that big an issue.

I can't imagine why he wouldn't mention the Zimmermann telegram in a book about WW2.

 

[Uzzy]

You will be surprised to learn that Buchanan does not mention the Zimmermann telegram anywhere in his latest book.

Probably not that big an issue.

Even if the Zimmermann telegram wasn't that big an issue, there's still the Unrestricted Submarine Warfare that the Germans engaged in against American shipping. Something you've still not addressed.

Also, relying on just one 'historian's' work is a sure fire way to gain an incomplete understanding of history. Perhaps you can read some more grounded works on the 20th Century first? Penguin's History of the Twentieth Century and Hobsbawm's Age of Empire and Age of Extremes are good initial choices for learning about the 20th Century.

 

[VonKleist]

You once denied (I believe) you were American. Combining your nickname with your probably autochtone level of English, although some doubts remain since your posts hardly ever are longer than 1-2 lines, led me to suspect that you are probably British (or maybe Dutch?). You could of course tell us, but if you don't want to, for instance because you are ashamed of your identity, then don't.

Dutch-Irish, my father was from Wales.

Of course not. I posted the quote in #340 "Emrys Hughes, "Winston Churchill, His Career in War and Peace" p. 145"

The link I posted in #349: http://www.amazon.com/Winston-Churchill-British-bulldog-career/dp/B0006ATSO8 The corresponding title says "Winston Churchill: British bulldog;: His career in war and peace"

Probable identical, would you not agree?

But not identical. You copy-pasted the quote from some website without checking it. What source does Emrys Hughes provide for that Churchill quote, by the way?

You probably want to make a point. Maybe you want to go the extra mile and tell what the point is your are trying to make. I can guess it, but when I make that guess explicit you are going to say you meant something different.

Guess away.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I can't add much to Uzzy's explanation of why, according to the US, the US entered the war, except to say that protection of maritime trade has always been a major concern of the USA; they even went to war with us over it once.

The guy [Uzzy], who wished for my dear parents to be killed and hence is on ignore, quotes:

Because German Unrestricted Submarine Warfare was sinking American ships and killing American sailors. One can read President Wilson's speech to Congress on the matter here, made on 2nd April 1917, and it's quite clear what the justification is. If you're not interested in clicking the link, here's an excerpt.

I agree that that was the official reason with which the war was sold. Again, here is the official propaganda:

http://www.hschamberlain.net/timeline/lusitania.jpg

But now for the real reason...

Let's go back again to Buchanan's book. Buchanan hides himself behind [drumroll]... Churchill!

p95 - In The World in Crisis, Churchill would express puzzlement as to why the Americans ever went to war.

Churchill: "American historians will perhaps be somewhat lengthy in explaining to posterity why the United States entered the Great War on April 6, 1917... American ships had been sunk before by German submarines; as many American lives were lost in the Lusitania as in all the 5 ships whose sinking immediately preceded the declaration of war..."

"There were plenty of reasons of high policy for [America] staying out in 1917 after waiting so long", Churchill concluded

Not a peep about a telegram.

Churchill (let alone the Americans) could hardly say: "well the British made a deal with the Jews offering them Palestine provided they pushed these American suckers into the war against their own interest and help the British beat Germany".

But that would have been the truth.

Now Churchill (and Buchanan) pretend they don't understand why the US entered the war.

We cannot expect Buchanan to put his job at MSNBC at risk by coming up with all sort of conspiracy theories, stating that the Jews were behind US war entry. In America that would be anti-semitic and we are all glad we are not like that.

Buchanan goes as far right as is possible in the US without leaving main stream.
Refering to The Jews however is not in that package else you will be Helen Thomasized.

 

[excaza]

So you're just going to refuse to read what the telegram said?

 

[Uzzy]

Aha, finally. You can address points raised. Now, here's where we learn a lot more about history.

You see, up until 1917, the Kaiser and the Naval High Command were constantly countermanding each other regarding how the German Navy should operate, with the U-Boat fleet being withdrawn from service every time the Kaiser demanded that the U-Boats follow 'Cruiser' Rules, as in surfacing and demanding that the ship surrender. American ships being sunk were also few in number, despite a few famous cases. In essence, military priorities were put aside in favour of political ones.

1917 changed all of that. Admiral von Holtzendorff wrote a memo in December 1916 which argued that unless the Germans cut off Britain from supplies, they'd lose the war. Further, they would need to sink at least 600,000 tonnes of shipping a month to accomplish this. Holtzendorff also reassured the Kaiser not to worry about the American response, promising him that 'not one American will land on the continent.'

The Kaiser signed the order for Unrestricted Submarine Warfare on 1st February, 1917, and it was initially successful, with German U-Boats sinking 500,000 tonnes of shipping in February and March. This extracted a huge toll on American ships importing goods to Britain, and resulted in America declaring war on Germany on April 6th, 1917.

See, there is a difference between 1915 and 1917.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So you're just going to refuse to read what the telegram said?

I am still waiting for someone to make a case for the telegram as (one of) the prime cause(s) of American war entry... so I can slaughter him.

The others here realize that too well and are not willing to play that role.

But maybe excaza wants to have a go at it?

 

[TSR]

I am still waiting for someone to make a case for the telegram as (one of) the prime cause(s) of American war entry... so I can slaughter him.

The others here realize that too well and are not willing to play that role.

But maybe excaza wants to have a go at it?

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This post was not enough for you ... why?
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[dafydd]

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This post was not enough for you ... why?
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Nazis are not noted for being quick on the uptake.His use of the word slaughter was very revealing.