Who started both World Wars?

[Dave Rogers]

Zimmerman does not sound Jewish at all, but refers to an honest 'Aryan' occupation: Carpenter.

I seem to remember a well-known Jew holding that occupation. A lot of Aryans think a lot of him too, though they prefer not to remember he was Jewish. Funny, that.

Dave

 

[9/11-investigator]

We do have jewish british citizens - the two things are not mutually exclusive. In the Netherlands you used to have a vibrant jewish community. We all know what happened to them.

I can assure you we still have a vibrant jewish community (working day and night to hand over Holland to the 3rd world).

 

[dafydd]

We do have jewish british citizens - the two things are not mutually exclusive. In the Netherlands you used to have a vibrant jewish community. We all know what happened to them.

I'm not Jewish (my mother wasn't one) but yes I have jewish antecedents via my fathers family.

911/investigator believes that the Jewish community in the Nederlands were sent by the Nazis to holiday camps for a nice rest.

 

[dafydd]

I can assure you we still have a vibrant jewish community (working day and night to hand over Holland to the 3rd world).

Bollocks.Your posts make me feel nauseous.How did you get to be so sick and twisted? Something in your childhood?

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://tinyurl.com/3xqas4l

Dave

I already thought you have no clue about it.

So you bring up the Zimmerman telegram without explaining why the US was justified in declaring war to Germany?

No surprises here.

For the neutral bystander: I am trying to let our friend Dave here make positive statements about this telegram to support his suggested thesis that the US had all the right of the world to declare war on Germany.

Let's see if he takes the bait...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

 

[gtm]

I can assure you we still have a vibrant jewish community (working day and night to hand over Holland to the 3rd world).

Good (although the Dutch Jewish community was much reduced during WW11)

 

[dafydd]

I already thought you have no clue about it.

So you bring up the Zimmerman telegram without explaining why the US was justified in declaring war to Germany?

No surprises here.

For the neutral bystander: I am trying to let our friend Dave here make positive statements about this telegram to support his suggested thesis that the US had all the right of the world to declare war on Germany.

Let's see if he takes the bait...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

Don't take the bait Dave,what is the point? You can't argue with the brain dead.

 

[Dave Rogers]

For the neutral bystander: I am trying to let our friend Dave here make positive statements about this telegram to support his suggested thesis that the US had all the right of the world to declare war on Germany.

Nice piece of goalpost-moving. Let me just remind you that your argument has nothing to do with whether the US was justified in declaring war on Germany.

Dave

 

[dafydd]

Nice piece of goalpost-moving. Let me just remind you that your argument has nothing to do with whether the US was justified in declaring war on Germany.

Dave

Let him stew on that for a while,it will dawn on him sooner or later.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Let him stew on that for a while,it will dawn on him sooner or later.

Somehow I doubt that.

Dave

 

[9/11-investigator]

Nice piece of goalpost-moving. Let me just remind you that your argument has nothing to do with whether the US was justified in declaring war on Germany.

Dave

Excellent, intelligent answer. So I cannot frame you.

So the question remains: why according to you did the US enter WW1?

Or are you simply going along with my Balfour conspiracy theory?

For the sake of the length of this thread I hope you don't.

 

[Thunder]

The USA joined the war because the Germans were killing our civilians and attacking our ships.

 

[Uzzy]

Because German Unrestricted Submarine Warfare was sinking American ships and killing American sailors. One can read President Wilson's speech to Congress on the matter here, made on 2nd April 1917, and it's quite clear what the justification is. If you're not interested in clicking the link, here's an excerpt.

I have called the Congress into extraordinary session because there are serious, very serious, choices of policy to be made, and made immediately, which it was neither right nor constitutionally permissible that I should assume the responsibility of making.


On the third of February last I officially laid before you the extraordinary announcement of the Imperial German Government that on and after the first day of February it was its purpose to put aside all restraints of law or of humanity and use its submarines to sink every vessel that sought to approach either the ports of Great Britain and Ireland or the western coasts of Europe or any of the ports controlled by the enemies of Germany within the Mediterranean.


That had seemed to be the object of the German submarine warfare earlier in the war, but since April of last year the Imperial Government had somewhat restrained the commanders of its undersea craft in conformity with its promise then given to us that passenger boats should not be sunk and that due warning would be given to all other vessels which its submarines might seek to destroy, when no resistance was offered or escape attempted, and care taken that their crews were given at least a fair chance to save their lives in their open boats.


The precautions taken were meagre and haphazard enough, as was proved in distressing instance after instance in the progress of the cruel and unmanly business, but a certain degree of restraint was observed. The new policy has swept every restriction aside. Vessels of every kind, whatever their flag, their character, their cargo, their destination, their errand, have been ruthlessly sent to the bottom without warning and without thought of help or mercy for those on board, the vessels of friendly neutrals along with those of belligerents.

 

[Dave Rogers]

So the question remains: why according to you did the US enter WW1?

I can't add much to Uzzy's explanation of why, according to the US, the US entered the war, except to say that protection of maritime trade has always been a major concern of the USA; they even went to war with us over it once.

Dave

 

[Belz...]

Whatever The Hague says.

Well, there you have it: "My reality is better than yours."

 

[9/11-investigator]

Fortunately we do not have to entirely rely on the utterings of a no doubt 'self-hating Jew' Benjamin Freedman somewhere in the 60s or 70s. Here is another 'self-hating Jew', Samuel Landman who simply confirms the link between Balfour and the US-war entry, despite the pathetic attempt of my Anglo opponents who keep on rambling about 'evil Germans' sinking innocent American ships (filled with war material).

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/plandman.html

However, in March 1936, a Zionist Jew named Samuel Landman published a work called Great Britain, The Jews and Palestine under the auspices of the Zionist Association, which deals with Zionism and the entry of the United States into the war. As the preface of the book clearly states, the author is a very well-known English Zionist. He was the honorary secretary of the Zionist Council of the United Kingdom in 1912, editor of The Zionist from 1913 – 1914, and author of various Zionist publications which came out during the war. From 1917 – 1922 he was the solicitor and secretary of the Zionist organization, and later became its legal adviser. As a Jewish document, therefore, it may be considered to carry official weight.

Mr. Woodrow Wilson, for good and sufficient reasons, always attached the greatest possible importance to the advice of a very prominent Zionist (Mr. Justice Brandeis, of the US Supreme Court); and was in close touch with Mr. Greenberg, Editor of the Jewish Chronicle (London); and knew that several important Zionist Jewish leaders had already gravitated to London from the Continent on the qui vive awaiting events; and appreciated and realized the depth and strength of Jewish national aspirations; spontaneously took the initiative, to convince first of all Sir Mark Sykes, Under-Secretary to the War Cabinet, and afterwards M. Georges Picot, of the French Embassy in London, and M. Goût of the Quai d'Orsay (Eastern Section), that the best and perhaps the only way (which proved so to be) to induce the American President to come into the War was to secure the co-operation of Zionist Jews by promising them Palestine, and thus enlist and mobilize the hitherto unsuspectedly powerful forces of Zionist Jews in America and elsewhere in favour of the Allies on a quid pro quo contract basis. Thus, as will be seen, the Zionists, having carried out their part, and greatly helped to bring America in, the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was but the public confirmation of the necessarily secret 'gentleman's' agreement of 1916 made with the previous knowledge, acquiescence and/or approval of the Arabs and of the British, American, French and other Allied Governments, and not merely a voluntary altruistic and romantic gesture on the part of Great Britain as certain people either through pardonable ignorance assume or unpardonable ill-will would represent or misrepresent.

Translation: the Jews in the US already owned Wilson (they earlier had him blackmailed in giving the FED to them, a topic for a different thread) and used this influence to push him into war. The Lusitania arms issue (the delivery was possibly a secret deal between American arms manifacturers and the British overnment) was merely used to sell the war to the American public. No Jews involved here.

Landman continues:

The fact that it was Jewish help that brought USA into the War on the side of the Allies has rankled ever since in German – especially Nazi – minds, and has contributed in no small measure to the prominence which anti-Semitism occupies in the Nazi programme.’

That's the Jews for you: without any regard for interests of others they pursue their self-interest without any sense of measure. Even if they have to destroy others, like in this case Germany, who had treated them good.

 

[Thunder]

That's the Jews for you: without any regard for interests of others they pursue their self-interest without any sense of measure.

your bigotry is disgusting.

oh, and btw, you have still failed to prove that "the Jews" forced Wilson to declare war on Germany.

once again, did "the Jews" force Germany to attack the Lusitania and two more ships before Wilson declared war?

thought not.

your theory, that "the Jews", brought the USA into WW1, is crap...and debunked.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Excellent, intelligent answer. So I cannot frame you.

All the same, I must admit to a morbid curiosity as to what bizarre construction you were intending to place on the Zimmerman Telegram by which you would argue that Germany's threat to sink American cargo ships without warning and assist Mexico in an invasion of America was in fact an act of aggression by America against Germany.

Dave

 

[Uzzy]

Your obsession over the Lusitania would be more relevant if it wasn't for the two year gap between it's sinking and the American deceleration of war.

 

[Thunder]

Zimmerman does not sound Jewish at all, but refers to an honest 'Aryan' occupation: Carpenter. Jewish names often refer to money: Goldman, Silverstein, Rubin, Pearl, Safire, Lendman, etc.

My great-Aunt's last name is Zimmerman. She is a Jew.