• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Moderated What's wrong with porn?

Southwind17 said:
Honestly JFA I don't see it working like this. I hope this doesn't come across as sounding male chauvenistic, but anything that portrays females as dominant over males (it doesn't have to be porn - it can be anything involving physicality)(Power Puff Girls?!) just doesn't cut it with me. I suppose that's because, in reality, it's essentially non-existent (well, at least in the public domain), and my ability to suspend disbelief to the extent that I can appreciate and enjoy a fictitious scenario seems to be very limited!
Click to expand...

*scratches head*
 
Southwind17 said:
Honestly JFA I don't see it working like this. I hope this doesn't come across as sounding male chauvenistic, but anything that portrays females as dominant over males (it doesn't have to be porn - it can be anything involving physicality)(Power Puff Girls?!) just doesn't cut it with me. I suppose that's because, in reality, it's essentially non-existent (well, at least in the public domain), and my ability to suspend disbelief to the extent that I can appreciate and enjoy a fictitious scenario seems to be very limited!
Click to expand...

Heh. You never heard about guys paying a professional domina to tie them up and give them a whipping, or whatnot?

But either way, by now it sounds to me like you pretty much nailed your own answer: biased sample fallacy. You don't watch porn where X or Y don't happen, hence all porn out there must be all about X and Y. In the end, you only get some material for introspection, but hardly a grand unified theory of porn.
 
Well, so far I'm up to "that bit goes into that other bit", but I'm confident that enough more research and a government grant will soon yield a major breakthrough ;)
 
Hey, while we're on the subject, what's your opinion on hentai? Some of it is pretty damn sick, but since no actual human beings are involved, can it really be said to be exploitative?
 
arthwollipot said:
Hey, while we're on the subject, what's your opinion on hentai? Some of it is pretty damn sick, but since no actual human beings are involved, can it really be said to be exploitative?
Click to expand...

Whaaat? Those are not humans? Damn, there goes my hope to find a bride with huge eyes and cat ears.

Bah... You just had to dash my hopes. I hope you're proud of yourself, Mr Spoiler ;)
 
Southwind17 said:
Honestly JFA I don't see it working like this. I hope this doesn't come across as sounding male chauvenistic, but anything that portrays females as dominant over males (it doesn't have to be porn - it can be anything involving physicality)(Power Puff Girls?!) just doesn't cut it with me. I suppose that's because, in reality, it's essentially non-existent (well, at least in the public domain), and my ability to suspend disbelief to the extent that I can appreciate and enjoy a fictitious scenario seems to be very limited!

So I reckon there could be a more dominating gene in the male species that releases some sort of hormone or something at the thought of "taking advantage" of a woman (could this partly account for rape?). That's not to say many men don't get off on the idea of being sexually dominated, but on the rare occasion that I stumble upon such a video I certainly can't fix that in my mind as male abuse in the way I can the other way around. I haven't seen enough such videos to comment reliably, but I suspect that there are very few indeed where the male is portrayed (convincingly) as really not wanting to be in that situation, whereas most of those where the woman is dominated are, and indeed may well be, in many.
Click to expand...

The responses above mine pretty much say it all. But I'm going to be verbose anyway because..well...it's my nature. :)

You have several biases going on here. One of the major ones, it seems to me, is the belief that a real life submissive person wants actual abuse rather than a controlled living fantasy. Quite a difference between the two. The difference between a real abuse situation and being submissive (female or male) is like the difference between living in a world that has constant earthquakes (real life abuse) and just going on a roller coasters in an amusement park (BDSM).

And there are women who are Dominate. I have no idea what the ratio is, but that doesn't even matter in this case, since you say it's non existent to you. They are out there, and they are just as Dominate as men can be. In most cases more so.

Again, everyone above me has said it (and I've said it too) but I'm going to say it again, you are stating a simple belief based on your bias and yes, your chauvinism. You have come right out and said that you can't respect a porn actress because they allow abuse to happen, and therefore, the majority of people don't respect them either.

Now that's fine so long as you realize that's simply your opinion and not a fact.

You want to challenge yourself and I admire that. So here it is.

You're wrong. You're going on the fact of "since I don't see it nor like it, it's doesn't exist." Here's a hint. Start with the fact it does exist. There are TONS of male-submissive, women Dominate (including some very abusive scenarios played out) porn out there. It's popular and a money maker. Realize that and that's a start. And you'd be surprised what kind of male submissive porn that's out there.

One final thing about this, and here's where your bias gets in the way of the truth: My porn is VERY male Dominate. In all my work, save one video, the women are very submissive and placed in situations that could be seen as taken advantage of. However, in all cases, during the real-life shoot, the porn actress was in control. She was the person who decided whether to do it or not, she was the one who decided when to stop and take a break, etc, and throughout every shoot, I make sure she's okay and comfortable.

And with my real life submissive girlfriend, the reality is the same. To make another analogy, I may be driving the car (Dominate) but she is the one with with the road map (submissive). Making porn is the same way.

So here's the contentious part (and I'll choose my words even more carefully than usual!) - if you were to run a reliable poll I suspect you'd find that more people, generally, would express more disrespect for such porn actresses than actors and consider what they do is more demeaning to women than what porn actors do is to men (especially men, most of whom would probably crack open a beer and shout "Go buddy"! Can you really see women, generally, doing the same (with a chardonnay, say :o)?)
Click to expand...

If I understand your question, I think that people who say "Porn demeaning to women" are blowing it out their backside and are chauvinistic. I don't know if there is a majority who say that, but if there are, then we have a lot of educating to do. But hey, the majority of people in the US say that Intelligent Design is real, so what the **** does the majority know?

And yes. I HAVE seen a bunch of women do the same with Chardonnay and with beer. And with other men!
 
Redtail said:
[The King] GANGBANG!!!!!![/The King]
Click to expand...

Aye, it seems like a reasonable hypothesis, but we must be scientific about it.

So far I'm only up to blind testing, where two groups of people are asked to fap to Debbie Does Dallas and respectively Gone With The Wind and the results are compared. And they're blind so they don't know which they got, hence the name.

But as usual the problem is with the testers giving unintentional clues to the subjects. Like, "whoa, check out the tits on her!" That one slip skewed the results quite a bit in favour of Gone With The Wind, lemme tell you.

I'm trying to go double blind, but there are still kinks to be ironed with that setup. Like that the blind testers couldn't enter the results in the computer, and half the time press the wrong button on the remote and fail to start the movie at all.

But, as I was saying, the preliminary results are positive and I'm still hoping to get a government grant to continue this important research ;)
 
Toke said:
Well tryouts have gone from illegal to the norm.

Adultery* have been a crime, nowadays it is very unusual not to have sex with your girlfriend before marriage, or breakup.

*Or whatever the legal term was if none of the parties were married?
Click to expand...

Unmarried people the crime was fornication. But it also seems that in say puritain days many women were pregnant when they got married as well.
 
Southwind17 said:
Honestly JFA I don't see it working like this. I hope this doesn't come across as sounding male chauvenistic, but anything that portrays females as dominant over males (it doesn't have to be porn - it can be anything involving physicality)(Power Puff Girls?!) just doesn't cut it with me. I suppose that's because, in reality, it's essentially non-existent (well, at least in the public domain), and my ability to suspend disbelief to the extent that I can appreciate and enjoy a fictitious scenario seems to be very limited!
Click to expand...

Wait... so only males can be dominant, sexist pricks ?
 
As for women dominating men, it happens not at all irregularly in marriage. I know my grandmother dominated by grandfather in life, I have no idea about the bedroom and don't really want to know.
 
I know one person who is totally submissive in the bedroom, likes to be tied up, gagged, etc... It's because she is so controlling and dominant outside the bedroom.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom