What is wrong with what Steorn is doing?
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Foolmewunz
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sk3eptical: He already did a Kinetica thing, back in December, I think. Kind of a "bust"....
IIRC, his Public Relations firm is also the PR firm of Kinetica. I wouldn't be surprised if he arranges something through them.
Sean's promise is for a demo during the first week of July. We're half-way there. I am turning blue from holding my breath.
IIRC, his Public Relations firm is also the PR firm of Kinetica. I wouldn't be surprised if he arranges something through them.
Sean's promise is for a demo during the first week of July. We're half-way there. I am turning blue from holding my breath.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
I seem to remember they originally said they were going to exhibit a working machine then, but withdrew it because they were afraid of someone stealing it or something.
It's Alive...
Latest:
rte.ie/news/2007/0704/steorn.html
"Steorn Chief Executive Sean McCarthy has said the demonstration will involve a 'very simplified version' of the technology and it will be open to the public from Thursday 5 July to Friday 13 July at the Kinetica Museum at Spitalfields Market in London.
Sceptics can view the device lifting a weight from four different camera angles online.
Mr McCarthy said the company had decided against using the technology to illuminate a light-bulb as the use of wires would attract further suspicion from a scientific community that has already dismissed the device."
The Kinetica home page confirms the demo.
The camera are for streaming the video over the internet.
Latest:
rte.ie/news/2007/0704/steorn.html
"Steorn Chief Executive Sean McCarthy has said the demonstration will involve a 'very simplified version' of the technology and it will be open to the public from Thursday 5 July to Friday 13 July at the Kinetica Museum at Spitalfields Market in London.
Sceptics can view the device lifting a weight from four different camera angles online.
Mr McCarthy said the company had decided against using the technology to illuminate a light-bulb as the use of wires would attract further suspicion from a scientific community that has already dismissed the device."
The Kinetica home page confirms the demo.
The camera are for streaming the video over the internet.
JayT
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Same Old ...
The appeal to scientists is not all that impressive.
It's not unusual for bona fide scientists to give their support to quackery, especially when their expertise is in another field apart from what the quack professes. It just takes one 'expert' opinion trumpeted in the media by a P.R. firm to sway the masses.
Like a Nobel scientist claiming that vitamin C kept him alive since the days of Caesar without a sniffle of illness in all those years, even though he has no training or expertise in the field of nutritional sciences to qualify his opinion. Like professional sports people claiming that magic magnets in their shoes or worn as a bracelet cured them of pain better than any established medical treatments, etc.
Quack products are seen on TV all the time with genuine doctors, 'experts' and celebrities touting their benefits, such as magnets for pain, weight-loss diets that transform you into a model of fitness while you sleep.
With the right P.R. campaign and attractive product packaging, everything has a market, no matter how absurd the product may be. Pet rocks come to mind.
LOL
The appeal to scientists is not all that impressive.
It's not unusual for bona fide scientists to give their support to quackery, especially when their expertise is in another field apart from what the quack professes. It just takes one 'expert' opinion trumpeted in the media by a P.R. firm to sway the masses.
Like a Nobel scientist claiming that vitamin C kept him alive since the days of Caesar without a sniffle of illness in all those years, even though he has no training or expertise in the field of nutritional sciences to qualify his opinion. Like professional sports people claiming that magic magnets in their shoes or worn as a bracelet cured them of pain better than any established medical treatments, etc.
Quack products are seen on TV all the time with genuine doctors, 'experts' and celebrities touting their benefits, such as magnets for pain, weight-loss diets that transform you into a model of fitness while you sleep.
With the right P.R. campaign and attractive product packaging, everything has a market, no matter how absurd the product may be. Pet rocks come to mind.
LOL
Here in Australia, until a few years ago, doctors were not permitted to allow themselves to be used in advertising campaigns. Then the outgoing head of the AMA had that changed just before she completed her term. She immediately started advertising for an alternative medicine supply company. Talk about cynical self interest. The medical profession as a whole has been the loser. The good news is that this decision has recently been reversed (although existing contacts will be allowed to run their course). The bad news is that that particular doctor still commands respect within the medical profession.
Yeah, that's where I would display the most incredible scientific breakthrough in the history of mankind, an art museum.
<sarcasm>That's the proof we have all be waiting for! A web cam! </sarcasm>
Not that I've been able to find the link to the web cam yet though...
Given the structure of the device, it would be child's play to pack the frame chock full of batteries.
In other words, more PR and still no peer review.
Horatius
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I found a "link": http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html
Only camera 4 seems to be available, and it looks like it is showing a shot of Big Ben, reflected off of the surface of a puddle.
A water park I went to as a kid had one of those. It was quite impressive to an 8 year old, until I got close enough to see the pipe hidden behind the water...
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Foolmewunz
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My favorite(favourite) sign in a bar (pub) in New York... The Riviera.
The sign was there for the fifteen years that I knew the place, and is probably still there ten years later....
Free Beer Tomorrow
The sign was there for the fifteen years that I knew the place, and is probably still there ten years later....
Free Beer Tomorrow
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Now, where is the International Dateline when it really could come in handy?
Foolmewunz
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Rank Amateur Scammers?
But effective rank amateur scammers as people keep hanging in there.
Their press page this week had posted the following:
http://www.steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1001
This is their latest release, it is dated 4 July. There's a post at the bottom of the page at 11:30 pm (the day is like, uh, over by then), saying
(bolding mine)
I love these guys.
Due to "slight" technical difficulties.... ?
"Slight"? Yeah, like rewriting the laws of physics!
"Technical Difficulties"!!! They've invented the device that is going to change the world, and they can't get a video demo going. And we're supposed to believe in their revolutionary technology!
Further, the info above says "spinning a wheel", and the info posted by others says "lifting a weight".
Maybe the could get Chriss Angel in? He's good on camera angles and illusions.
But effective rank amateur scammers as people keep hanging in there.
Their press page this week had posted the following:
http://www.steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1001
This is their latest release, it is dated 4 July. There's a post at the bottom of the page at 11:30 pm (the day is like, uh, over by then), saying
(bolding mine)
I love these guys.
Due to "slight" technical difficulties.... ?
"Slight"? Yeah, like rewriting the laws of physics!
"Technical Difficulties"!!! They've invented the device that is going to change the world, and they can't get a video demo going. And we're supposed to believe in their revolutionary technology!
Further, the info above says "spinning a wheel", and the info posted by others says "lifting a weight".
Maybe the could get Chriss Angel in? He's good on camera angles and illusions.
Foolmewunz
Grammar Resistance Leader, TLA Dictator
Here's the unofficial Steorn explanation, passed from Sean to Seamus (ya couldn't make these names up!)....
Posted in a sticky thread in the Steorn Forum....
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=58649&page=1#Item_0
Okay, Sean..... Cut it out!!!!! I have work to do, but this is just too entertaining.
Check the bolded parts.... As one wag on their forum put it..... "It's effected by the heat of light bulbs???!!!!"
The commentary on the forum is hysterical. Just a sample:
I highly recommend the forum discussion on this for the sheer humor value. The peanut gallery is silent and the skeptics are doing an Irish Jig!
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=58650&page=1#Item_0
Oh, my spiders are going to get a good workout on this one.
Posted in a sticky thread in the Steorn Forum....
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=58649&page=1#Item_0
Okay, Sean..... Cut it out!!!!! I have work to do, but this is just too entertaining.
Check the bolded parts.... As one wag on their forum put it..... "It's effected by the heat of light bulbs???!!!!"
The commentary on the forum is hysterical. Just a sample:
I highly recommend the forum discussion on this for the sheer humor value. The peanut gallery is silent and the skeptics are doing an Irish Jig!
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=58650&page=1#Item_0
Oh, my spiders are going to get a good workout on this one.
Foolmewunz
Grammar Resistance Leader, TLA Dictator
The free enegy tracker blog has a few (external, of the museum) pictures.
I guess i'll miss the grand opening, going to bed as I am, wake me up if the world is changed forever while I sleep.
Sleep tight, we'll have no reason to wake you. The museum evidently opens around 11:00 London time (about six hours from now), and since Sean's talking about having a meeting this morning to discuss their problems, I don't think there will be anything running by that time, anyway.
Maybe it only runs in the dark when you can't see it?
Anyone remember the comedy "Soap"? This seems like a PM/OU version of that comedy.
These engineers build the "test unit" on the day of the demo. Replace a faulty bearing! Discover it doesn't work because of the light bulbs. Say "f.. it we'll look at it tomorrow" and go to the pub / restaurant. So much for the press etc.
Best entertainment around.
These engineers build the "test unit" on the day of the demo. Replace a faulty bearing! Discover it doesn't work because of the light bulbs. Say "f.. it we'll look at it tomorrow" and go to the pub / restaurant. So much for the press etc.
Best entertainment around.