What is wrong with what Steorn is doing?

I will buy whatever Steorn can make of this, as long as it works as intended.

Otherwise: :randi:
 
Sean has invited his forum faithful (and skeptics, I guess) over to Kinetica at 3:00, where he'll answer questions.

I guess we're in for some re-inspiring of the masses. He'd better have an awesome amount of the old blarney working for him. Otherwise, I fear they may tar and feather him. (Do you tar and feather people in England, or is the ultimate assault still a "letter to The Times"?)
 
Okay, I just decided to see what this thread was about and checked out the cams. Is that plastic wheel thingy his machine? The video I'm watching shows what appears to be a heated debate going on around it with lots of arms flying and head shaking. I wish I could capture it, they're poking it and stuff and it doesn't move. I'm pretty sure the guy waving his arms doesn't think the thing will work. And the lighting? I doubt if the lights I see are raising the temps at all. Anyway, my perpetual motion machine looks much cooler than his and is a steal at a mere 10 Million Dollars!

(Disclaimer: My perpetual motion machine may or may not work.)

ETA: Does anyone know what software/setup gets a web cam that clear from halfway around the world? Granted, it's been years since I did some serious web cam hunting, but that looks great.
 
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Well, the guy in the stetson is apparently Dr. Mike, a qualified engineer or scientist and confirmed skeptic. He came over at the invitation of Sean, and is apparently determined to be polite, but states that he does not think it's possible for the thing to work and that they will never bust CoE.

He's on the Steorn forums, but has been rather coy the last few days, purportedly because he's being polite as a "guest". It'll be interesting to see if he remains a skeptic and takes this thing apart as a scam or delusion. But someone mentioned that he, also, had to sign an NDA.



Well, they got nice t-shirts. That'll power those pumps in Africa!
 
BillC said:
I'm betting it's a ploy by Steorn to demonstrate to the world what sort of viral marketing campaign they are capable of producing.
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Nah. I run a business specialising in digital marketing and virals (with record-breaking achievements to my name, thanks very much), and this doesn't smell like that.

If it is, it's a very, very poor one. No-one I know would hire a company based on this. Apart from anything, they've made a laughing stock of the product.

No, I'm going for a) scam or b) they really thought they had something at the start but have now realised they have not.
 
tkingdoll said:
Nah. I run a business specialising in digital marketing and virals (with record-breaking achievements to my name, thanks very much), and this doesn't smell like that.

If it is, it's a very, very poor one. No-one I know would hire a company based on this. Apart from anything, they've made a laughing stock of the product.

No, I'm going for a) scam or b) they really thought they had something at the start but have now realised they have not.
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since there are two parallel threads on this, and the post i just typed is equally relevant here i'm going to post it again....:)

I'd vote fraud.

from a marketing profile sense it doesn't make much sense - their reputation would be in shreds if they revealed it to just be an exercise in web marketing....

I imagine they've got a fair few private investors hooked with the lure of untold riches - and all they need to do is spin it out over several years, keeping having "technical problems," writing off large chunks of that investment as R&D per year....until finally they've milked all they can, and they announce that due to financial difficulties they're unable to continue...

They exit the scheme having never had to admit that it was all a scam - and are several million pounds richer as a result -

it certainly is one way to generate something from nothing....
 
andyandy said:
since there are two parallel threads on this, and the post i just typed is equally relevant here i'm going to post it again....:)

I'd vote fraud.

from a marketing profile sense it doesn't make much sense - their reputation would be in shreds if they revealed it to just be an exercise in web marketing....

I imagine they've got a fair few private investors hooked with the lure of untold riches - and all they need to do is spin it out over several years, keeping having "technical problems," writing off large chunks of that investment as R&D per year....until finally they've milked all they can, and they announce that due to financial difficulties they're unable to continue...

They exit the scheme having never had to admit that it was all a scam - and are several million pounds richer as a result -

it certainly is one way to generate something from nothing....
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I vote fraud too, either that, or at some point they really believed it but it was too late to back out when they realised they didn't have it.
 
Bob Park's take...

Yesterday, a Dublin company, Steorn, was to demonstrate its "Orbo" technology at the Kinetica Museum in London. Orbo was claimed to produce unlimited free energy - it didn’t. A year ago Steorn was recruiting scientists to evaluate Orbo, but you can’t pick the reviewers and then call it peer review. Today Steorn blamed the air conditioning in Kinetica, and said the demonstration will be delayed a "few weeks." Sure it will.
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Beady said:
"Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration."

IOW, it'll take maybe a month or two to decide on a date next year. Gotta keep the scam going as long as possible, so they can milk the investors for even more ("Hey, we're almost there! You can't quit now!").
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Remember, this isn't the first time that Steorn have cancelled a demonstration of their technology at Kinetica.
 
T'ai Chi said:
It sounds like they advertised to get independent scientists (not biased skeptical organizations or personalities) to test their product.
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Do you understand the very serious possibility of cherry-picking involved here?

Will they announce the list of scientists before or after the "tests"?

They're pretty clearly a fraud, by the simple fact that if something works, really works, it works for pretty much everyone pretty much any time you want it to.
 
JoeEllison said:
Do you understand the very serious possibility of cherry-picking involved here?

Will they announce the list of scientists before or after the "tests"?

They're pretty clearly a fraud, by the simple fact that if something works, really works, it works for pretty much everyone pretty much any time you want it to.
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I wouldn't bother responding to a TC post. He rarely responds to posts directly, and hasn't posted in this thread for some time.

Welcome though! :)
 
Grimoire said:
I wouldn't bother responding to a TC post. He rarely responds to posts directly, and hasn't posted in this thread for some time.

Welcome though! :)
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Wow... thanks.

Why is it that when exploring a new forum, the first thing you discover are the... well... trolls?
 
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