What is wrong with what Steorn is doing?

Blight said:
Looks like a few more updates from the SPDC.

Supposedly, stoern has published an experimental device specs (to the NDA closed SPDC forum) that explain some of the tech that is making some of the skeptics think there might be something there.
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Doubtful, but I shall reserve my judgement. I would really really like to know, how a spec / blueprint would make a skeptic change its idea about OU/CoE/FE. By definition, only experimental result (aka a gizmo measured within your hand) should make a skeptic change... Unless I am missing something ?

But then again some people are saying they are skeptic on that forum when they clearly aren't to begin with (You have to have a very weak skepticism if you are swayed by just word in a free energy claim, and many people claiming to be skeptic claimed just to be convinced by Steorn. This does not sound like any skepticism I know of).
 
mojo:
from what I gather, you need to sign an NDA in order to view the SPDC.

Aepervius:
You don't always need experimental results to make you change your mind, if someone brings and idea that is plausible, it may make you change your mind to the point that you'd want to test it for yourself. Since i'm not reading the SPDC, I have no clue as to the real value of what's going on in there, I'm just updating people reading this thread on any changes of interest.

I'm not sure about you, but even if this thing is a complete sham, I'd still want to know about it.
 
Steorn's end

Blight I sure do want to see it up to the end, but still you know this infamous expression we keep using here "extraordinary claim call for extraordinary evidence". On the paper I can claim anything and even break the speed of light for example (both Vg and Vp being superior than c :)...) . PMM/OU are such incredble claim that a few equation, even if they stand together well, will not make budge one inch toward being less skeptic or more skeptic until there are reproducible experience. I can see equation being enough to convince you to do MORE research for a given phenomenon which is reproducible, but here we are speaking of something which is beholden as being impossible.

Speaking of possible explanation and equation (and being convinced by them) before having a definitive experiemental setup permitting a reproducible demonstration of the phenomenon is like putting the vehicule before the horse. You won't go very far with that.

*NOW* if they were saying "if we were using this and this maybe we can get a PMM" I would say feel free to experiement, but this is a question. Not the assumption of having already a PMM and then searching what make it run.

I am not sure if I can express correctly what I mean :P.
 
Blight said:
Looks like a few more updates from the SPDC.

Supposedly, stoern has published an experimental device specs (to the NDA closed SPDC forum) that explain some of the tech that is making some of the skeptics think there might be something there.
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Blight, do you post or hangout on the Steorn forums? I lurk there, mostly, but I had to go digging to try to find the rose-colored glasses view you're talking about.

It's in a post by Crank, who is the only person who claims that the skeptics are coming 'round. Crank is as close to being an insider as you can be. She doesn't mention which forumite, by name, but says that person has had their skeptical foundation shaken. Yet, here are the two SPDC members who post regularly on the forum and who are the noted skeptics. They don't seem to be thinking there's something there. These are the only SPDC skeptics who posted in that thread.

CommentAuthor >enginerd CommentTime5 days ago


I give Crank, as usual, good marks for her summarizing.

I don't know what a "hardened" skeptic is or if I am one. I will say that after all the interesting stuff that I have seen pass through the SPDC forum, I have exactly my original confidence that real useable over-unity free-energy is not possible in this universe. I have seen nothing in the SPDC that speaks compellingly to the fundamental issues.

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CommentAuthor >pcstru4 CommentTime5 days ago

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Mmmmmm.

As a sceptic I've been fairly consistent in saying that there is a 0.000001 chance that Steorn have what they claimed. As a member of the SPDC I've probably moved a tiny wee bit closer to the fence. A general answer as to why that is: just 'ideas'. I'd still class myself as a skeptic, it's maybe changed to 0.00000125 with occasional but temporary shifts.
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In my world, that doesn't sound like the skeptics are being won over, so you must have a different set of definitions of common English words than I have.
 
My pinhole is now only letting through electrons whereas it used to let through whole atoms.
 
foolmewunz:
No, I don't read the steorn forums, I don't have that kind of patience. I just post various updates on the free energy tracker blog or any google news search stories related to steorn.

I just do it to keep people on the this forum sort of updated as to what is going on with this story.

My personal views is that I don't know enough about the math behind this to have any real view as to the authenticity of their claims, so I'm just keeping tabs to see if it's one of the greatest hoaxes in recent history or if there's some truth to it. Either way, I find it interesting.
 
Looks like Steorn are still dangling the carrot :rolleyes:

I believe this is a total scam, quite possibly some form of performance art designed to push the boundaries of art and make waves in the art world. If there is a machine then why not get CNN involved? Have the tech editor of CNN round up 3 of their guest scientists, sign an NDA then tell the world on CNN "yes we saw it, yes it works" - VALIDATED. It's all insanely annoying.
 
Jordy, they won't be able to pull a "meyer" (or was was it a "mark golde" ?) and tell the world to patient a bit more "engineering problem will be solved in 6 monthes". They have now set the noose quite nicely and they better come up with something extremly convincing or get a backlash by everybody but the extremly faithful. I don't hold my breath, but still keep an open mind for the 0.00000000000000000000000001% chance they have something.

I am still not sure if this is a scam or not, but I tend to think scam. Too many money flew in their firm for too few people. They burned alone in 2006 proportionally 1/5 of the money a firm I know (firm which produced 8% benefit after tax) but with a workforce of 1/50 (16 people agaisnt 780).

I personnally think that many of their cost are waaaaay over what should be in the book, but I do not know much about finance except comparing the above firm book with Steorn's.

In my humble opinion, if this is a scam, it is already done : they maybe funnelled part of the "research" and "amin" money out and overstated the charge in the book.

But again since i know nothing of financing maybe I am wrong and there is an explanation ?
 
What can I say. It's June. Looks like some type of joke at this point.

"Screw you guys, I'm going to bug Dr.Bussard.."
 
I know why I bother. A very nasty side on my personality. I was admonested many time over by my ex on that nasty dark side of me. I just want to rub the nose of the believer in a big "Told you so". I do that for every kind of woo. I take pleasure out of it. Nasty. I will not say "i can't help it" because it is certainly intentional and I could very well resist the temptation. But don't want to.

So I am now waiting eagerly for july ;).
 
I hear they're giving away free steorn t-shirts at their unvailing, isn't that worth the few millions in investment?
// End sarcasm.

Seriously though, I think they were saying july 7th, i'm looking forward to which direction this event would lead. I'm hoping they'll have something tangible and not just more vapor.
 
OU Day is Nearly Upon Us

We're coming down to the wire.... Time for another Steorn delaying tactic? The press is all agog with the excitement being generated nearly empty.

You can place your bets for posterity, here....

http://www.betsgowild.com/bet.php?id=125

Bets are off as of 1 July (I assume that's GMT, but not sure).

Requires registration but it's instantaneous. The "ayes" have it so far, but there aren't that many votes (nor any serious comments, really). Just a chance for the Steorn/Sean peanut gallery to take a side.
 
And the place...

Confirmed at the Kinetica Museum, London:

kinetica-museum.org/new_site/index.php?ptitle=Current+Exhibition&mfile=%68%74%74%70%3A%2F%2F%79%69%72%6B%68%61%2E%66%75%64%2E%63%7A%2F%73%74%65%6F%72%6E%2F

Yes a "art museum"! And will you all please stop laughing!

Anyone in London feel like taking a visit?
 
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