What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Dr. MAS]

Zep

My behaviour is polite (read my posts) but you are aggressive. the reason is this is your forum not mine. I can also adopt the same behaviour but then there would be no difference b/w you and me. In this forum, you have the influence over the owner of this forum.

Come to this forum www.nch.ipbfree.com which is impartial because I am ordinary member there. You can also participate after getting free registeration.

I assure you, the above mentioned forum have open policy you can say anthing about homeopathy. No body will stop you...

 

[Dr. MAS]

The word "Randi Land" is famous in homeo discussion forum that is why homeopaths use this word. You (including all) disclaim that you are not representing JREF, then why you people are writing like a spokesman of JREF. Is this not ridiculous.

Say, what is your opinion and do not represent JREF if you are not a spokesman.

About homeo forum, NCH (inspite of my objection) created a new "Homeopathic Forum for Skeptics". They made the most active skeptic person "the monitor of the class "forum" "

Can you set an example like this?

No, never I can expect from you. How can you say, you are impartial?

I challenge you? Open all your IP addresses and I request to NCH to open all IP addresses at its forum. Let's see who is right? who is skeptic in his real thoughts.

Mrc hans knows that he is discussing at a forum where ip addresses are open so that people may not decieve others with duplicate alias and wrong locations.

My personal profile is open (not a single thing is hidden)... are you skeptic? then come with your true personalities and don't discuss behind the wall like we use "fire wall" software. Make an open policy in skeptic forum.

You set an example we will like to follow.

 

[geni]

The word "Randi Land" is famous in homeo discussion forum that is why homeopaths use this word. You (including all) disclaim that you are not representing JREF, then why you people are writing like a spokesman of JREF. Is this not ridiculous.

we don't

Say, what is your opinion and do not represent JREF if you are not a spokesman.

we do state our opion

About homeo forum, NCH (inspite of my objection) created a new "Homeopathic Forum for Skeptics". They made the most active skeptic person "the monitor of the class "forum" "

That their choice

Can you set an example like this?

This forum has been around for a long time. Moderators are long term memebrs of good standing. There are no homeopaths on this forum who fit this desription.

No, never I can expect from you. How can you say, you are impartial?

Becuase we have examied a lot of evidence before reaching a conclusion?

I challenge you? Open all your IP addresses and I request to NCH to open all IP addresses at its forum. Let's see who is right? who is skeptic in his real thoughts.

Meaningless grandstanding. My IP is availible online if you know where to look. I have no wish to make things easy for the various people who disslike me online to track me down

Mrc hans knows that he is discussing at a forum where ip addresses are open so that people may not decieve others with duplicate alias and wrong locations.

Strangly we get very few socks here and for the most part the mods know posters real locations. I fail to see why you need to know this information. It is unimportant. What is important are people's arguments. If you can't beat them then it does not matter who they are.

My personal profile is open (not a single thing is hidden)... are you skeptic? then come with your true personalities and don't discuss behind the wall like we use "fire wall" software. Make an open policy in skeptic forum.

Why do you care?

You set an example we will like to follow.

are example is to try andcarry out debates based on logic and evidence. Lets see if you can follow that.

 

[andycal]

YOU WILL BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT WORLD HOMEOPATHIC COMPUTER CLUB (whcc) EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING WILL BE HELD ON WEDNESDAY. THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF RANDI CLAIM ON HOMEOPATHY. THE DETAILS WILL BE DISCLOSED ON WEDNESDAY.
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Why have this on the agenda? What Randi claim? There's nothing to rebuke.

If you believe homeopathy works then you need to prove it to claim the million, that's it. Randi doesn't have to disprove it, you have to prove it.

 

[Darat]

Zep

My behaviour is polite (read my posts) but you are aggressive. the reason is this is your forum not mine. I can also adopt the same behaviour but then there would be no difference b/w you and me. In this forum, you have the influence over the owner of this forum.

...snip...

As admin:

If Zep does have influence over ether the JREF or Randi then that has not been expressed by any comments or instructions from the JREF or Randi to myself in regards to anything to do with any discussion about homeopathy.

In fact I have never been given any instructions or even guidance about what subjects can or cannot be discussed by any Member here (apart from what is contained in the Membership Agreement).

You have just the same "status" and influence over this forum as any other Member.

 

[Zep]

Zep

My behaviour is polite (read my posts) but you are aggressive. the reason is this is your forum not mine. I can also adopt the same behaviour but then there would be no difference b/w you and me. In this forum, you have the influence over the owner of this forum.

Come to this forum www.nch.ipbfree.com which is impartial because I am ordinary member there. You can also participate after getting free registeration.

I assure you, the above mentioned forum have open policy you can say anthing about homeopathy. No body will stop you...

Your behaviour is arrogant, but we have a lot of other arrogant posters here, so you will fit right in!

And I have no more influence over this forum than you do. Never have, never will. If I am rude to you now and break the rules, I will be treated just like you will if you broke the rules. I could even be banned - really! But I'm not going to be rude to you at all.

And I think you are still having trouble accepting that you CAN present your case here and NOT be badly dealt with! Scared? Go on - try it! This is an open and receptive forum - really! Many other posters of paranormal persuasion have been here, and their accounts still exist and are open.

Remember though, the reason that I said you need to be on your toes is that you will get incisive discussion and you will be expected to support your position by proper arguments, NOT that you will get banned for saying it. I do hope that you will stay around longer than many of the other paranormal proponents, though. They tend to discover that people here know far more about the history and operation of their own modalities than they do...so they just get in a huff and go away.

Now, back to the subject: Are you going to provide any reliable, scientific evidence of the efficacy of homeopathy? Oh, and do keep us up-to-date on what your group thinks of the JREF (not Randi, JREF) challenge.

 

[Vikram]

The word "Randi Land" is famous in homeo discussion forum that is why homeopaths use this word. You (including all) disclaim that you are not representing JREF, then why you people are writing like a spokesman of JREF. Is this not ridiculous.

No.

Say, what is your opinion and do not represent JREF if you are not a spokesman.

My opinion is that homeopathy has no scientific basis and no scientific evidence. The fact the JREF happens to share my opinion does not make me its spokesman.

About homeo forum, NCH (inspite of my objection) created a new "Homeopathic Forum for Skeptics". They made the most active skeptic person "the monitor of the class "forum" "

Can you set an example like this?

No, never I can expect from you. How can you say, you are impartial?

Why don't you send a pm to one of the current administrators and ask them to make you the "monitor"?

I challenge you? Open all your IP addresses and I request to NCH to open all IP addresses at its forum.

So that the privacy of the posters can be violated and their computers can be hacked? No thanks.

My personal profile is open (not a single thing is hidden)... are you skeptic? then come with your true personalities and don't discuss behind the wall like we use "fire wall" software. Make an open policy in skeptic forum.

You set an example we will like to follow.

Er... Wait a minute. Don't you think you're getting a little ahead of yourself? All you've done is just state that you have some educational qualifications (which, quite frankly, in the absence of a logical mind, amount to nothing). Unless you actually provide some scientific evidence for homeopathy, all your restatements of your qualifications are pointless.

First start with your evidence. Then we can talk.

In case you happened not to read my multichromatic question before, here it is again:

Is there any way to demonstrate the efficacy of homeopathic drugs while eliminating all other explanations?

YES OR NO?

 

[steenkh]

Dr. MAS has proven to be a disappointment.

At first it looked like we would meet an intelligent well-educated supporter of homeopathy who was willing to explain why he believes homeopathy works.

Instead he has chosen to focus on words like 'paranormal' and lecturing about his 30 years of experience in teaching and his titles. But he is not willing to come to the point. He has deliberately ignored every attempt by people here to focus on the actual issues.

What a waste of time!

 

[andycal]

Too true. I actually feel quite sad about it.

Has anyone been to the forum he mentions? I went, I registered but it seems a little 'quiet' to me.

 

[Rolfe]

Dr. MAS has proven to be a disappointment.

At first it looked like we would meet an intelligent well-educated supporter of homeopathy who was willing to explain why he believes homeopathy works.

Instead he has chosen to focus on words like 'paranormal' and lecturing about his 30 years of experience in teaching and his titles. But he is not willing to come to the point. He has deliberately ignored every attempt by people here to focus on the actual issues.

What a waste of time!

My sentiments exactly. Having read some of his posts on the homoeopathy forums, I was also pleased to see him here. I hoped to have some rational discussion.

However, all he seems to want to know is why we consider homoeopathy to be paranormal. This has been answered about sixteen times, and his only response is to come demanding revelations of IP numbers and implying that he wants to be made a moderator.

He's disappoitingly similar to Gavinimurthy, who only wanted a platform to lecture about his beliefs, and couldn't defend these beliefs for ten seconds against the most superficial challenge.

Rolfe.

 

[Mojo]

About homeo forum, NCH (inspite of my objection) created a new "Homeopathic Forum for Skeptics".

Just for the record, what exactly were your objections? If homeopathy is as effective as you claim ("I claim we can treat an incureable case of any disease" - Dr. MAS), surely you can't be worried about a few people asking questions about it?

 

[Rolfe]

Just for the record, what exactly were your objections? If homeopathy is as effective as you claim ("I claim we can treat an incureable case of any disease" - Dr. MAS), surely you can't be worried about a few people asking questions about it?

Yes, but he only claimed to be able to treat such a case. He didn't claim to be able to cure it. In fact, by labelling the disease as "incurable", would that not imply that he can't cure it?

Now, the claim to cure AIDS or Hep B was a lot more impressive. Again, that should be easy to demonstrate. Except, he doesn't seem to like any of the usual means of performing such a demonstration. It seems that this might be "cure, to my definition of cure", which is not what anyone else would accept as a "cure".

I can see why he might not want to subject all that to too much scrutiny.

Rolfe.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I've really been wanting to ask this for a long time.

Dr. MAS, were you serious in claiming this;

http://www.pbase.com/8w/8thwonder

http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=55

to be a wonderful device that challenged the understanding of all who saw it?

It looks like a fairly straightforward ship-in-a-bottle trick to me.

If you are happy to confirm that was just a piece of fun done for entertainment then I can take seriously your desire to enquire into the view that homeopathy is paranormal.

But, if you claim that your "8th wonder" is itself a miracle then there is no need to take this thread any further, you will have made our point for us.

p.s. I love this line from one of the links;

"The people who visited the exhibition saw the magic glass bottle frame with great enthouism and strange eyes. This credits also goes to a Creative Mind Homeopath."

 

[MRC_Hans]

The word "Randi Land" is famous in homeo discussion forum that is why homeopaths use this word.

I have no problem with that.

You (including all) disclaim that you are not representing JREF, then why you people are writing like a spokesman of JREF. Is this not ridiculous.

I write about the details I know of the Randi challenge when people ASK me. People like you. Just like I will answer any other sensible question to the best of my knowledge. What is ridiculous about that?.

Say, what is your opinion and do not represent JREF if you are not a spokesman.

I always do.

About homeo forum, NCH (inspite of my objection) created a new "Homeopathic Forum for Skeptics". They made the most active skeptic person "the monitor of the class "forum" "

Heheheh.

Can you set an example like this?

No, never I can expect from you. How can you say, you are impartial?

The opinions of a moderator should be irrelevant. The task of the moderator is to enforce the forum rules. No more, no less.

I challenge you? Open all your IP addresses and I request to NCH to open all IP addresses at its forum. Let's see who is right? who is skeptic in his real thoughts.

Why?

Mrc hans knows that he is discussing at a forum where ip addresses are open so that people may not decieve others with duplicate alias and wrong locations.

What does it matter? We are exchanging opinions. The opinions matter, not who writes them.

My personal profile is open (not a single thing is hidden)... are you skeptic? then come with your true personalities and don't discuss behind the wall like we use "fire wall" software. Make an open policy in skeptic forum.

Irrelevant.

You set an example we will like to follow. [/B]

Dr. MAS, why do you not set an example among homeopaths and enter a serious, open-minded debate? THAT would be news.

Hans

 

[Metullus]

I've really been wanting to ask this for a long time.

Dr. MAS, were you serious in claiming this;

http://www.pbase.com/8w/8thwonder

http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=55

to be a wonderful device that challenged the understanding of all who saw it?

This has to be a joke? Really...?

This thread is starting to take on a familiar surreal aspect.

 

[Ossai]

Not a medical Dr. MAS

I challenge you? Open all your IP addresses and I request to NCH to open all IP addresses at its forum. Let's see who is right? who is skeptic in his real thoughts.

Do you have any idea of how many security rules that violates? There are rules on this forum to help prevent people from using sock puppets and the administrators have the appropriate information.

Ossai

 

[andycal]

http://www.pbase.com/8w/8thwonder

That's just bonkers.

Have you also noticed that when faced with an obvious question, the braniacs on the board suddenly catch a dose of stupid?

Dear Star, I checked the newspaper again, no DC current has been used. I have no idea what is DC and what is AC 220 volt.

Must be using homeopathy to power the kettle then.

Metullus, you're right, it's dead weird.

 

[wahrheit]

A famous book by Miguel de Cervantes comes to my mind. Interestingly, it was written in the early 1600's, at about the same time when homeopathy was made up.

Should you need a quick reminder about it's story, don't bother to look it up, I transcribed Wikipedia's summary for your convenience. I <strike>excised</strike> the words which were translated wrongly back then:

<blockquote>Don Quixo<strike>te</strike>path is visibly crazy to most people. He believes ordinary <strike>inns</strike> lactose to be enchanted <strike>castles</strike> medicine, and their <strike>peasant girls</strike> molecules to be beautiful <strike>princesses</strike> memories. He mistakes <strike>windmills</strike> anecdotal report for <strike>oppressive giants</strike> convincing evidence <strike>sent</strike> demanded by evil <strike>enchanters</strike> scientists. He imagines a neighboring peasant to be <strike>Dulcinea del Toboso</strike> quantum physics, the beautiful maiden to whom he has pledged love and fidelity.

Sancho <strike>Panza</strike> Scam, his simple squire, believes his master to be a bit crazy, in particular he knows that there is "really" no <strike>Dulcinea</strike> evidence, but he plays along, hoping to get rich. He and Don Quixo<strike>te</strike>path agree for instance that because <strike>Dulcinea</strike> quantum physics is not as <strike>pretty</strike> simple nor does she smell as good as she should, she "must have been <strike>enchanted</strike> misinterpreted", and from that point on the mission is to <strike>disenchant</strike> twit her.</blockquote>

 

[Dr. MAS]

Rolfe said " I think we already covered that. There is nothing at all in the remedies, apart from the stock carrier material."

No sir, this is not as simple as you claim. What do you mean by "Nothing"? Still you did not comment on "nothing" meaning. Please tell me, when you say, there is nothing in the potency then what is in your mind about "nothing", so that we could move further and to finish up at the logical conclusion of this discussion.

 

[Dr. MAS]

My friend hans said "I write about the details I know of the Randi challenge when people ASK me. People like you. Just like I will answer any other sensible question to the best of my knowledge. What is ridiculous about that?."

Do you take responsibility, if we finalized our discussion and decide on a protocol to perform an experiment to prove homeopathy then JREF will accept our experimental results on the basis of terms and condition which we will decide in this forum or we have to again discuss the final protocol with JREF officials again and again? If no, then why you people are behaving like a spokesman of JREF?