What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Z]

I say double blind does not apply over your claim. our claim is different from the one you understand. we say camphor can cure such and such symptoms in the patient and your claim is homeopathy cannot cure such and such diseases. There is hell of difference.

You bring those patients who have the same symptoms as mentioned in our proving symptoms of camphor and we will prove it with dbt.

Double-blind, placebo-controlled testing applies to any proper medical or scientific claim. But, only a REAL doctor would understand that.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

I have no objection in your understanding but you cannot perform DBT which we do not claim.

 

[Mojo]

You bring those patients who have the same symptoms as mentioned in our proving symptoms of camphor and we will prove it with dbt.

Why do you need us to bring you patients? Don't you lot have any patients of your own?

Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't of course, given MAS's bedside manner and the fact that your remedies don't work...

 

[Mojo]

By the way, Sheikh, what is mekhbesi?

 

[Mojo]

I have no objection in your understanding but you cannot perform DBT which we do not claim.

Er, yes you do claim that you can peform a successful DBT. You did it just here, when you posted:

We will prove it with double blind test. if we will fail then we will leave homeopathic practice for ever.

And here, when you said:

You bring those patients who have the same symptoms as mentioned in our proving symptoms of camphor and we will prove it with dbt.

Don't say you've forgotten this already; You posted both of these within the last hour.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Dear Mojo. Try to understand the meaning of my post as well. I accept what you have written here. I said, we claim "camphor has certain proving symptoms and if you could provide us 50 to 100 patients to prove a symptom mentioned in camphor proving and if we (homeopaths) unable to prove that through DBT then we will leave homeopathy forever". Please understand it before sending anyother post or objection. Why don't you not understand that we do not treat the disease we treat only symptoms.

 

[Z]

Dear Mojo. Try to understand the meaning of my post as well. I accept what you have written here. I said, we claim "camphor has certain proving symptoms and if you could provide us 50 to 100 patients to prove a symptom mentioned in camphor proving and if we (homeopaths) unable to prove that through DBT then we will leave homeopathy forever". Please understand it before sending anyother post or objection. Why don't you not understand that we do not treat the disease we treat only symptoms.

Isn't this exactly what they accuse allopaths of doing?

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

i have made my point clear. I think now you have no other question.

 

[Z]

If your point is, all homeopaths are frauds, and homeopathy is a hoax, perpetrated by quacks who know nothing of science, especially chemistry or medicine, then yes, we have no other questions.

 

[steenkh]

I say double blind does not apply over your claim. our claim is different from the one you understand. we say camphor can cure such and such symptoms in the patient and your claim is homeopathy cannot cure such and such diseases. There is hell of difference.

Symptoms - diseases: why do you think DBT canot be applied to the cure of symptoms? The purpose of DBT is to show that your method is better than doing nothing at all. Why can't you do that if want to cure symptoms, but not if you want to cure diseases?

Can you argue why one should not try to find out if homoeopathy is better than doing nothing? Do you have a better method for finding this out?

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Symptoms - diseases: why do you think DBT canot be applied to the cure of symptoms? The purpose of DBT is to show that your method is better than doing nothing at all. Why can't you do that if want to cure symptoms, but not if you want to cure diseases?

Can you argue why one should not try to find out if homoeopathy is better than doing nothing? Do you have a better method for finding this out?

I said, it can applied to cure symptoms.

 

[Zep]

It can be applied...but does it actually WORK? Without any testing, you haven't a clue if it does or if it doesn't! And you don't seem to WANT to do testing... Which suggests VERY strongly that you know the answer already to the first question!

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

It can be applied...but does it actually WORK? Without any testing, you haven't a clue if it does or if it doesn't! And you don't seem to WANT to do testing... Which suggests VERY strongly that you know the answer already to the first question!

Yes it does work. You can fillout WHCC proforma and prove that it does not work.

 

[Mojo]

Yes it does work. You can fillout WHCC proforma and prove that it does not work.

Can you provide a link to the proforma?

And on the issue of whether it works, you promised here to prove homoeopathy works in a double-blinded test or leave homoeopathic practice for ever.

There's a thread here for you to post your proposed test protocol etc.

Or, if you prefer, your confirmation that you have permanently quit practice of homoeopathy.

 

[Tricky]

We will prove it with double blind test. if we will fail then we will leave homeopathic practice for ever.

No you wont. If you actually have the courage and honesty to undergo a properly controlled double-blind test, you will fail. And when you fail, you will make excuses. This is a pattern that all frauds such as yourself follow. Of course, most of them are too dishonest to ever subject themselves to a legitimate test. From all what I can see of your discussion so far, this will be the path you take.

I eagerly await and encourage your actions to show that I am incorrect. I do not expect them.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

if you do not believe it then how can i assure you.

 

[steenkh]

if you do not believe it then how can i assure you.

Take the JREF test by showing that there is any difference between a homoeopathic pill and a lactose pill. You can show that one pill cures, where the other does not, or you can show that one pills causes "proving symptoms" where the other produces nothing, or you can show that there is a chemical or any other difference. They will all get you a million dollars - a real million dollars that actually exist. This test is winnable, in contrast to the fake MAS-test which is not winnable, and you will earn our respect, besides the Nobel prize in medicine!

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

jref test is baseless it is disease based we do not claim to cure any disease.

 

[Nucular]

jref test is baseless it is disease based we do not claim to cure any disease.

Read steenkh's post again. It is not just disease based, any difference between a homeopathic substance of sufficient potentisation and a dummy version will net you the million.

Any difference you can show. Use patients, use random people, use an electron microscope, use a banana, anything you like: just show a difference under properly controlled conditions.

 

[Rolfe]

It's worth repeating. Sheikh just said that homoeopathy doesn't cure diseases, it only treats symptoms.

This is actually true, but it is exactly the opposite of everything every other homoeopath has ever said, namely that while regular medicine only suppresses symptoms (not true, as it happens), homoeopathy treats the underlying cause of the disease.

Is this guy even a homoeopath? Does he have any idea what he's talking about? (sorry, silly question )

Rolfe.