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What is paranormal in Homeopathy

Hey, Non-Sense. If you have found something in homeopathy that works, you can still win one million dollars from James Randi.

And unlike Dr. Mas' "offer", the money exists, and the challenge is real.
 
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What is the meaning of this message

Hello Dr. A Sheikh it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums?
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Dear Randi Members,

It was the demand of the randi members to put comprehensive authentic data about the cures which are achieved through homeopathic medicines. Dr. Abid Masood has done the effort and published his cured cases data in the from of a book. The reports which are published were taken from Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital, this is an allopathic hospital. Reports before treatment and after treatment are all published in this book.

Book reference can be seen here.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=439

Happy christmas to all members of randi land.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
What is the meaning of this message



Dear Randi Members,

It was the demand of the randi members to put comprehensive authentic data about the cures which are achieved through homeopathic medicines. Dr. Abid Masood has done the effort and published his cured cases data in the from of a book. The reports which are published were taken from Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital, this is an allopathic hospital. Reports before treatment and after treatment are all published in this book.

Book reference can be seen here.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=439

Happy christmas to all members of randi land.
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I see from the link that the book is in Urdu, and not available on the web.

Can you provide a link to something in English?

And, while you're at it, can you provide a link to anything that substantiates the claim in your sig:
From Dr. A Sheikh's sig:
According to the Skeptics Point of View, modern medical drugs can have a physiological effect at 1x and can be used to treat certain diseases at 1x. But the same medical drugs in homeopathy cannot show any physiological effect in 1x. Neither it cannot bring any physiological change in the body nor it can treat any disease.
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A link to somewhere where a skeptic has actually said this would do nicely.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
It was the demand of the randi members to put comprehensive authentic data about the cures which are achieved through homeopathic medicines. Dr. Abid Masood has done the effort and published his cured cases data in the from of a book. The reports which are published were taken from Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital, this is an allopathic hospital. Reports before treatment and after treatment are all published in this book.
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Is this what it sounds like - a collection of pre/post measures on an uncontrolled selection of cases? How did Masood choose which cases to put in the book? Is there anything there that would go any way to either demonstrating in a controlled way that it was the homeopathy that helped, or anything that would go any way to demonstrating how homeopathy might work?

I'd like to second Mojo's query about your sig. Who has claimed this?
 
In that book authentic lab reports done by MBBS doctors are presented. The most of the cases are those when allopathic doctors with complete authentic diagnosed refused to treat the patient but homeopath treated and got success.

Homeopathic medicines cannot be proved with double blind test. Read this question:

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=480

(First read the detail)

We homeopaths claim that we can treat "insecure, uncertain, scared; anxiety" with Camphor. If you could arrange to provide 50 patients having this symptom, we will give you result through double blind test.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
In that book authentic lab reports done by MBBS doctors are presented. The most of the cases are those when allopathic doctors with complete authentic diagnosed refused to treat the patient but homeopath treated and got success.

Homeopathic medicines cannot be proved with double blind test. Read this question:

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=480

(First read the detail)

We homeopaths claim that we can treat "insecure, uncertain, scared; anxiety" with Camphor. If you could arrange to provide 50 patients having this symptom, we will give you result through double blind test.
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Sheikh: what?

Why did you link to that thread? All I see there is John Richard BSc, who must have the patience of Job, being messed around yet again by a poster who doesn't even seem to know what he's asking.

And then you accompany that by saying that homeopathic medicines cannot be tested with a double-blind design, but that if we'll provide 50 people witha certain symptom, you'll test homeopathic camphor using a double-blind design.

I think you're the president of the Pakistani Surrealist Association.

But, regardless: there is no shortage of people displaying those symptoms, many to a chronic degree. If you want our help designing your study, feel free to ask; you'll have to recruit your own participants, though.

ETA: why 50? Have you already done a power analysis? If so, you must already have a design in mind, and have planned which statistical tests you'll use. Let us know.
 
We homeopaths claim that we can treat "insecure, uncertain, scared; anxiety" with Camphor. If you could arrange to provide 50 patients having this symptom, we will give you result through double blind test.
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Please tell us how you would control this test, i.e. how would you know if it was the Camphor remedy having an effect on the patient or placebo, or even if their condition changed by chance?

If I were to carry out this test I would take 3 groups. One group would be given a homeopathic remedy, one a placebo and one group is given nothing. I would ensure that the patients and the people prescribing the homeopathic remedy and judging the results didnt know which patients belonged to which group.

If homeopathic Camphor remdy is effective in treating patients with the ailments you described then the group which were given the remedy will show greater improvments than the other 2 groups. DO YOU AGREE Dr. A Sheikh???
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
Double blind test is not the criteria to prove anything perfect.
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Why not? Is there any other way to eliminate other factors?

If half of the provers were given placebo and the other half homoeopathic remedy, surely only the half with actual remedy should have felt "insecure, uncertain, scared; anxiety; etc...", right? What is so difficult about this concept?
 
dogbite666 said:
Please tell us how you would control this test, i.e. how would you know if it was the Camphor remedy having an effect on the patient or placebo, or even if their condition changed by chance?

If I were to carry out this test I would take 3 groups. One group would be given a homeopathic remedy, one a placebo and one group is given nothing. I would ensure that the patients and the people prescribing the homeopathic remedy and judging the results didnt know which patients belonged to which group.

If homeopathic Camphor remdy is effective in treating patients with the ailments you described then the group which were given the remedy will show greater improvments than the other 2 groups. DO YOU AGREE Dr. A Sheikh???
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Proving how? this is our job!

We will prove it with double blind test. if we will fail then we will leave homeopathic practice for ever.

You can only demand to prove what we will claim. Our claim is quoted above.
 
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Why not ? Is there a mystical effect of the term "double-blind" on the results of the test ? Does it work or doesn't it ? If it does, I see no reason why it wouldn't under controlled conditions.
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I say double blind does not apply over your claim. our claim is different from the one you understand. we say camphor can cure such and such symptoms in the patient and your claim is homeopathy cannot cure such and such diseases. There is hell of difference.

You bring those patients who have the same symptoms as mentioned in our proving symptoms of camphor and we will prove it with dbt.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
Proving how? this is our job!

We will prove it with double blind test. if we will fail then we will leave homeopathic practice for ever.

You can only demand to prove what we will claim. Our claim is quoted above.
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And if the double-blind, placebo-controlled test is improperly carried out, will you either agree to redo the testing with proper procedures, or leave the practice forever?

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Somehow, I think this statement above is just another load of bollocks from the same people who want us to believe that sugar pills can magically carry the 'imprint' of water, which is in turn carrying the 'imprint' of some substance that was diluted out of existence a LONG time ago... :rolleyes:
 
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