What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Donks]

How can a student decide that teacher is so obviously wrong?

Because being a student doesn't mean being completely ignorant, just as being a teacher doesn't mean knowing it all.

Moreover you don't want to accept anything as precocieved. I have shown you how small stimuli can trigger & pursue the mental activity so the physiological activities, in your language, which justify effects of homeopathic effects can be possible by small stimuli, but still you don't accept. However that small stimuli is to be bit cleared in case of higher dilutions.

Talk about a leap of logic. You have the cephalic effect, where the act of thinking about food (brought on by pretty much anything) starts certain processes in preparation for ingestion. To think that that justifies homeopathy is to be deluded to the extreme. The only thing it justifies is that homeopathy is a placebo. That's all you have achieved so far.

Kumar, if you are serious, you have to do one of the following:
-Show that there is a distinct physiological reaction depending on which treatment the patient is about to take, and that the reaction goes beyond simple placebo. If you can't, then you can forget about your cephalic effect, because then homeopathy would have to work though actual ingestion and interaction.
-Show that there is a distinct physiological reaction depending which treatment the patient ingests, and that the reaction goes beyond placebo. If you can't, then you can forget about homeopathy working through any sort of interaction (chemical, nuclear, electromagnetic, gravitational, "energetic", etc).
Once you have achieved either of those points, you have to show that the reaction to the treatment is actually beneficial to the patient, at least for some remedies.

 

[Kumar]

Because being a student doesn't mean being completely ignorant, just as being a teacher doesn't mean knowing it all.

That is a recent problem of modern world. Even children behave somewhat alike it. So......

Talk about a leap of logic. You have the cephalic effect, where the act of thinking about food (brought on by pretty much anything) starts certain processes in preparation for ingestion. To think that that justifies homeopathy is to be deluded to the extreme. The only thing it justifies is that homeopathy is a placebo. That's all you have achieved so far.

Kumar, if you are serious, you have to do one of the following:
-Show that there is a distinct physiological reaction depending on which treatment the patient is about to take, and that the reaction goes beyond simple placebo. If you can't, then you can forget about your cephalic effect, because then homeopathy would have to work though actual ingestion and interaction.
-Show that there is a distinct physiological reaction depending which treatment the patient ingests, and that the reaction goes beyond placebo. If you can't, then you can forget about homeopathy working through any sort of interaction (chemical, nuclear, electromagnetic, gravitational, "energetic", etc).
Once you have achieved either of those points, you have to show that the reaction to the treatment is actually beneficial to the patient, at least for some remedies.

It is not just thinking, it is by taste also. It is also possible some tastes we may not feel apparently & grossly but still tastes & have effects. Rest anouts effects etc., it is already there in homeopathic clinics. Homeopaths now have to just justify molecular or its trace presence in dilutions of higher potencies. I have already shown molecular presence in all Triturations & lower potencies in my previous discussions.

Btw, whether you accept or not that; small stimuli can trigger & encourage mental & physiological activities or not?

 

[Donks]

That is a recent problem of modern world. Even children behave somewhat alike it. So......

So what? How is it a problem if children question something so stupid as the law of infinitesimals?

It is not just thinking, it is by taste also. It is also possible some tastes we may not feel apparently & grossly but still tastes & have effects.

You have yet to show effects from either thinking or tasting.

Rest anouts effects etc., it is already there in homeopathic clinics. Homeopaths now have to just justify molecular or its trace presence in dilutions of higher potencies.

No. Homeopaths now have to justify aneffect beyond placebo.

I have already shown molecular presence in all Triturations & lower potencies in my previous discussions.

Depends what you mean by "lower potencies." In something like 1C, yes. But you have yet to show presence in anything ultramolecular.

Btw, whether you accept or not that; small stimuli can trigger & encourage mental & physiological activities or not?

There are some small stimuli that will trigger reactions, yes. But you have yet to show that homeopathy can trigger an effect beyond placebo.

 

[Mojo]

It is not just thinking, it is by taste also. It is also possible some tastes we may not feel apparently & grossly but still tastes & have effects.

If, as you now seem to be suggesting, homeopathic remedies work by taste, the patient would need to be able to taste the "active" ingredient in the remedy (and presumably would need to be able to tell one remedy from another by taste for the correct effect to occur), otherwise the cephalic effect on which you are now relying would not come into play. This ought to be pretty simple to test.

Has any properly blinded tasting of homeopathic remedies been carried out? If it has, and the results have been published, please provide references.

 

[Kumar]

If, as you now seem to be suggesting, homeopathic remedies work by taste, the patient would need to be able to taste the "active" ingredient in the remedy (and presumably would need to be able to tell one remedy from another by taste for the correct effect to occur), otherwise the cephalic effect on which you are now relying would not come into play. This ought to be pretty simple to test.

Has any properly blinded tasting of homeopathic remedies been carried out? If it has, and the results have been published, please provide references.

In this gross world one will have to meditate, concentrate & practice suitably to recognize & define every molecule or its traces. Still body do its work which may be beyongd our gross recognizing power. Meant you can't define every energy, atom or molecule--grossly, still these effects.

 

[Donks]

In this gross world one will have to meditate, concentrate & practice suitably to recognize & define every molecule or its traces. Still body do its work which may be beyongd our gross recognizing power. Meant you can't define every energy, atom or molecule--grossly, still these effects.

What does it feel like to live with your head burried in the sand?

 

[Kumar]

What does it feel like to live with your head burried in the sand?

As with "great silica". It can be much useful. Few indicate it for incurable problems. Sometimes it looks clay>>>sand= normacy>>>maligency.

Btw, at what temp., silica/silicic acid or silicon become conductive?

 

[Donks]

As with "great silica". It can be much useful. Few indicate it for incurable problems.

About what I expectd you to answer.

In any case, do you feel like providing some evidence of an effect, beyond placebo, of homeopathy or TRS? Or shall we keep the status quo?

 

[Kumar]

About what I expectd you to answer.

In any case, do you feel like providing some evidence of an effect, beyond placebo, of homeopathy or TRS? Or shall we keep the status quo?

If you don't believe in mass internet tellings, Dr.Mas may show to you practically. You may request him--if you are really interested.

 

[Donks]

If you don't believe in mass internet tellings,

So that's option B, "let's keep the status quo."

Dr.Mas may show to you practically. You may request him--if you are really interested.

People have been "requesting him" for weeks. He keeps waving his arms, trying to distract people with "challenges" and requests for qualifications, but still no explanation for homeopathy.

 

[Kumar]

A system valid by practical experiances of mass.....can't be otherwise shown on/via computer, if you don't believe on internet mentionings. Practical observations & survey is other possibilty...nothing else as yet.

 

[Donks]

A system valid by practical experiances of mass.....can't be otherwise shown on/via computer, if you don't believe on internet mentionings. Practical observations & survey is other possibilty...nothing else as yet.

A system isn't made valid or invalid by "practical experiences of mass." Or by a simple survey.

kumar, please try to understand: Either homeopathy provides proper, reporducible DBPC studies that show its effectiveness, or a damn good explanaiton why its effects can't be shown on such studies. Otherwise it will be considered inneffective.

 

[Kumar]

A system isn't made valid or invalid by "practical experiences of mass." Or by a simple survey.

kumar, please try to understand: Either homeopathy provides proper, reporducible DBPC studies that show its effectiveness, or a damn good explanaiton why its effects can't be shown on such studies. Otherwise it will be considered inneffective.

It does not matter to them even bit favourable for them. Survey & proving of effectiveness, by them in their style, should be acceptable to you & satisfy you. If you don't go according to them, they may not care & will also be justified, if they tells all your things in their language/theory--as with maximum adversities. Your's are your in-house calculations not in their-house calculations. Will you care for it, if they tell their in-house calculation about your pro-systems?

Have you read "silica" post as I had added.

 

[Jeff Corey]

It does not matter to them even bit favourable for them. Survey & proving of effectiveness, by them in their style, should be acceptable to you & satisfy you...

No it shouldn't. That is not the way science works and we don't care about your uneducated opinions.
The reason it does not matter to them is the more cunning of them probably know that it doesn't work and are duping you and people like you.

 

[Donks]

It does not matter to them even bit favourable for them. Survey & proving of effectiveness, by them in their style, should be acceptable to you & satisfy you.

No, it shouldn't. My standard of evidence, and that of science in general, goes beyond "a bunch of people say it works, and so it does."

If you don't go according to them, they may not care & will also be justified, if they tells all your things in their language/theory--as with maximum adversities.

It's not "allopathy" that are harmed by "homeopaths" having an ineffective system, it's them. Hence, their opinion of "allopathy" matters little. They still run to it when the **** hits the fan and they get a serious illness, "maximum adversities" or not. "Maximum adversities" is still preferable to death.

Your's are your in-house calculations not in their-house calculations. Will you care for it, if they tell their in-house calculation about your pro-systems?

It's be nice if Dr.MAS would show shome of these mythical "in house calculations." When he, or any other homeopath, does, I'll check them out and see if they are worth the photons and electrons that transferred them to my laptop.

Have you read "silica" post as I had added.

Nope.

Sometimes it looks clay>>>sand= normacy>>>maligency.

Btw, at what temp., silica/silicic acid or silicon become conductive?

Now I have.
Do you really want to go back to the memory storage thread?

 

[Kumar]

Donks.

Why to involve ourselves & waste time in TTTT? We know much/everything about each other so why to do repetitions. Are we getting anything since long? Either system is not dependent on each other & not care for each other. They are florishing in their house as per their style & you are in your house. Modernly made skeptic types people, knows most of the things about them(may not be about you) and most are having internet informations etc.--still they are happy, so why to interfere. Energy is said to be limited in any system.

Let us try some other productive dynamics in future. I am very very very fed up.

So to restart:-

I would like to check mucus role in digestive, respiratory & repoductive systems--probably it may be one prime control mechanism of body for these systems in series of acid/base & water(mucus) balance.

 

[Donks]

Donks.

Why to involve ourselves & waste time in TTTT? We know much/everything about each other so why to do repetitions. Are we getting anything since long?

Why do you ask me? You're the one that wants to go back to the conductive properties of silicon.

Either system is not dependent on each other & not care for each other. They are florishing in their house as per their style & you are in your house. Modernly made skeptic types people, knows most of the things about them(may not be about you) and most are having internet informations etc.--still they are happy, so why to interfere.

Because some people, including me, don't particularly like seeing other people get hurt. Chosing homeopathy over evidence based systems can hurt people.

Energy is said to be limited in any system.

I don't know what the relevance of this sentence is.

Let us try some other productive dynamics in future. I am very very very fed up.

Wearing down? About time.

So to restart:-

I would like to check mucus role in digestive, respiratory & repoductive systems--probably it may be one prime control mechanism of body for these systems in series of acid/base & water(mucus) balance.

Go ahead. I'm not stopping you from learning. I'm sure people here could recomend some books for you to read where you can find out everything there is to know about mucus.

 

[Kumar]

Why do you ask me? You're the one that wants to go back to the conductive properties of silicon.
This is productive type talk PTT.

Because some people, including me, don't particularly like seeing other people get hurt. Chosing homeopathy over evidence based systems can hurt people.

But they are not GOD of all people. Let "HIM" do HIS work.

Go ahead. I'm not stopping you from learning. I'm sure people here could recomend some books for you to read where you can find out everything there is to know about mucus.

OK, no need of books. thanks.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

OK, no need of books. thanks.

O2+H2O= H2O3 or HO+H2O
H2O3+H2O=H4O4 or HO+H2O
H4O4+H2O=H6O5...
.......so on.

If there is someone in need of reading some books on science it is you.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

While we're spinning our wheels until MAS decides whether he can manage to do high school science, I've been struck again by Kumar's Sig Line.

" Noble/logical non-technical views/opinions only, no commitments.
Keep the eyes open till any mass thing is existing but unclear-- till then don't leave hopes & just continue, till it survives or dies naturally, in full."

We've seen that he can write sensible English when he wants to, but how can even a non-native speaker of English think that those lines make sense?