What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Terry]

[...] I work for a well-known pharmaceutical company doing compound identification for lead discovery. [...]

Vested interest! Vested interest! Nyah-nyah, I'm not listening. Vested interest!

Just kidding Cool post, welcome to the fray!

--Terry.

 

[Jeff Corey]

TRS theory from both reputed or not yet reputed sources which satisfies to me, even though not yet got matched by reputed ones. Don't expect everything is/can be "absolute" in " [/B][/QUOTE]
what is a trs theory, you silly wanker?

 

[Terry]

How can mucus make you tall or short, strong or weak, deficient or excessive in body? How it can be one of the prime controlling mechanism with systematic effects of body's controlling system/immunity etc.? Whether it is related to all sensory organs apart from its known role in respiratory, digestive & reproductive systems?

Is it because you think it's one of the three doshas in ayurvedic medicine? Google suggests it is associated with the principle of stability in this system.

How'd I do? Do I win a million rupees?

--Terry.

 

[Kumar]

Is it because you think it's one of the three doshas in ayurvedic medicine? Google suggests it is associated with the principle of stability in this system.

How'd I do? Do I win a million rupees?

--Terry.

Good indirect but can be relevant thought. But explain it in your system/science ot tell it in science. Million/s are not related to it.

Some links;-

http://www.ayur.com/dosha/kapha.html

Kapha


Jeff Corey,

It is old word know to most people here. hey can explain to you or google "Tissue Remedies", "Cell Salts", "Twelve tissue remedies" or have a look at;
http://www.indiangyan.com/books/homeopathybooks/biochemic_treatment/twelve_tissue.shtml

 

[Dr. MAS]

Kumar:

Where is the proof?

Marc

which proof? working of below 18x or above 18x?

 

[steenkh]

which proof? working of below 18x or above 18x?

Your comments really are an insult to our intelligence! Instead of asking nonsense questions only to waste time, you should start answering the questions.

I refuse to believe that you can read through so many pages and not know what we are asking for!

As if it was possible, you give homoeopathy an even worse image!

 

[Dr. MAS]

Your comments really are an insult to our intelligence! Instead of asking nonsense questions only to waste time, you should start answering the questions.

I refuse to believe that you can read through so many pages and not know what we are asking for!

As if it was possible, you give homoeopathy an even worse image!

I have brought you at the corner of well, where you just need a slight push.

 

[steenkh]

I have brought you at the corner of well, where you just need a slight push.

By procrastinating, you are not doing your cause any good.

Your original question in this thread was, what is paranormal about homoeopathy? It has been answered countless times, but I think the answer can be summarised as:

the theory

Satisfied?

Now, what are you going to do about it? Perhaps, at last, explain why you do not find the theory paranormal? And mind you, as I have listed in earlier posts, it is not just one aspect that is paranormal, but many aspects of the homoeopathic theory.

 

[Dr. MAS]

By procrastinating, you are not doing your cause any good.

Your original question in this thread was, what is paranormal about homoeopathy? It has been answered countless times, but I think the answer can be summarised as:

the theory

Satisfied?

Now, what are you going to do about it? Perhaps, at last, explain why you do not find the theory paranormal? And mind you, as I have listed in earlier posts, it is not just one aspect that is paranormal, but many aspects of the homoeopathic theory.

Oh OH OH, paranormal defination is still not clear. Your forum pages say, it is very difficult to define. What is paranormal in homeopathy is still not clear

 

[MRC_Hans]

Oh OH OH, paranormal defination is still not clear. Your forum pages say, it is very difficult to define. What is paranormal in homeopathy is still not clear

Paranormal: Not understandable in terms of known scientific laws and phenomena.

Now you are free to show that homeopathy is not paranormal by providing a scientific explanation.

Hans

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

MAS

I will echo what steenkh just said. The theory and principles of homeopathy are paranormal because they claim efficacy for solutions that contain no solute, as is demonstrated by the simple arithmetical questions that you have proven yourself unable to answer.

If you cannot understand the simple arithmetic, you may still believe that there is solute present in typical bottles of remedy, but you are wrong.

Why are you unable to answer the questions you have been asked about the arithmetic that shows the numbers of atoms or molecules that are present in diluted solutions?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

MAS

Since you appear not to own a dictionary.

A defintion of paranormal.

So, as Hans said, now you are free to show that homeopathy is not paranormal by providing a scientific explanation.

 

[Rolfe]

First you declare and verify on this forum that according to you “the paranormal part of homeopathy is, its dilution has no molecule in above 30c potency” then a protocol can be built to prove that “yes”, the molecules are present in 31c potency. Ok come forward and verify your statement.

How about it, Mas? This is a quote from a post by you very early in the thread. We were clearly talking about "ultramolar" dilutions (beyond Avogadro's limit), and you yourself offered to discuss a 31C potency (but then didn't).

So why are you now backtracking to talk about about 18X potencies?

Mas, if you are admitting that only the "low-potency" homoeopathic remedies work, and that the "high-potency" ones (beyond Avogadro's number) have no effect, then I'm sure we could still have an interesting discussion. About how "like cures like", for example, and whether there really is enough of anything in an 18X potency to have an appreciable biological effect.

This would be a very surprising position to take, since we all know that the vast majority of prescriptions or recommendations issued by homoeopaths are for molecule-free potencies. Nevertheless, if that is your position, please state this clearly.

However, if you still take the position that "high-potency" remedies work, then I'm sure we would all like to hear about that in the first instance. As you surmised, and as Hans just confirmed, the main reason we use the word "paranormal" in relation to homoeopathy is that claims are made the content-free preparations have an effect. I think that is the main topic of interest here. Therefore, would you please return to the question of the 30C (or even 31C) preparation that you touched on so many weeks ago?

Rolfe.

 

[steenkh]

Oh OH OH, paranormal defination is still not clear. Your forum pages say, it is very difficult to define. What is paranormal in homeopathy is still not clear

The term 'paranormal' is not a scientific term, but as you have now been told repeatedly, it is nevertheless possible to define it.

When you started to write here, we had the impression that you were interested in paranormality as used by the JREF. That is, what aspects of homoeopathy can be tested for the JREF million? The precise definition is of no importance, what is important is if the claim is accepted by the JREF.

If you believe that there is some aspect that the JREF regards as 'paranormal', but which is actually covered by science, it should be no problem for a highly educated professor such as you to devise a test protocol that proves this aspect and wins the JREF million dollars.

Why is the definition of 'paranormal' such a big matter for you, if not to just use it to stall serious scientific discussions for as long as possible?

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

I think we should not waste our energy in encircling Dr. MAS, he has no replies of our questions. I think, we should fulfil his criteria of explaining homeopathy at other forum so that he may not escape.

 

[Donks]

I think we should not waste our energy in encircling Dr. MAS, he has no replies of our questions. I think, we should fulfil his criteria of explaining homeopathy at other forum so that he may not escape.

Homeopathy has a perfectly acceptable explanation: It's a placebo.

 

[Kumar]

Homeopathy has a perfectly acceptable explanation: It's a placebo.

Will your above definition cover : patient cured by improved/intiated self healing body's mechanisms on application of any homeopathic remedy--psychologically or psysiologically?

 

[Chris Haynes]

Will your above definition cover : patient cured by improved/intiated self healing body's mechanisms on application of any homeopathic remedy--psychologically or psysiologically?

Okay, on Page 1 of this discussion "Dr" MAS made this claim:

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Originally posted by MRC_Hans

Let me be the first to welcome you (unless somebody else cross-posts )!

Dr. MAS: Thank you

What do you claim that homeopathy can do?

Dr. MAS: Yes, a very simple and good question.

We may start from this point. I claim we can treat an incureable case of any disease entirely with the help of homeopathic medicines.

If you detail us (homeopaths) to treat 10 AIDS / Hepatitis etc confirmed patients and if we succeed in curing 8 out 10 then you might confirm that "Homeopathic medicines have good healing effects / property against human diseases".

On the first stage, we would like to verify the above statement. if we succeed, then could we come in the row of winning the prize? or your demand is something else

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In over 24 pages he has failed to come close to explaining how he plans to do that.

Sure, cure one HIV/AIDS or hepatitis patient... show this by having a real medical lab show that the patient has been invected with either virus. Treat them for a month homeopathically, and have an independent lab show that his/hers lab tests show no more presence of either virus.

While it may not really be ethical, what could be simpler?

 

[Zep]

What would be simpler would be Mas actually participating in the simplest homeopathic test so far - identifying homeopathic remedies from base solvent under double-blind placebo-controlled conditions. It's so simple he can do it himself in his own shed (or wherever he works from) with his own products. But that also requires a measure of honesty - something the good "doctor" is having trouble working up to.

For example, take this:

Non-Sense Homeopath
I think we should not waste our energy in encircling Dr. MAS, he has no replies of our questions. I think, we should fulfil his criteria of explaining homeopathy at other forum so that he may not escape.

Hands up who hasn't seen that this is Mas or one of his cronies trying to get himself thrown out of here so he can get cheered by his stupid homeopathic mates? Well, they do it on the homeopath forums without any qualms, so why not expect the same treatment here? Answer: Because we are honest and don't think or work like that.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Maybe he's created Non-Sense as an obvious sock so that he can be banned, since he's already been warned that he'll be kicked out the next time he does it.

If I were going to create a sock, I'd at least wait a couple of days before trying to convince everyone to do exactly what the main poster wants everyone to do, i.e. move to another forum. But this guy comes out with that request right off the bat. Either Mas is wanting to get kicked out or he's just an idiot who thinks he can fool us. This is my first experience with a guy like this, so it's all a mystery to me why anyone would behave this way. Maybe this is all obvious.

If Non-Sense isn't a sock, then no way should Mas be banned. Being thick is no reason to be kicked off this board.