What is paranormal in Homeopathy
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Just out of curiousity:
Homeo Man had mentioned remedies reacting with ethanol. I looked at the list to see if any remedies were likely to react with ethanol. It seemed possible that Kali Bichromicum, potassium dichromate, might react with ethanol. It is used in breathalyzer tests; sulfuric acid is also included. Maybe a chemistry pro would know how much of a reaction you would get in the absence of the acid.
Anyway, I emailed a remedy-producing company in the US to ask if this was a problem, and what they did about it, They said that for ingredients which would react with ethanol, including Kali Bichrom. they diluted the earlier potencies in water instead of ethanol, or else they triturated them. I also ermailed Boiron, but haven't got an answer so far.
(if the remedies were diluted in ethanol at a later stage but while there was still some amount of material in the solution, a reaction might still occur. The preparer just wouldn't notice it. The reaction products would still be diluted out during subsequent dilutions, as discussed in other posts here. If this is the way Hahnemann originally prepared the remedy, I suppose it wouldn't matter what happened to the actual material during the dilution and potentization process for its supposed efficacy.)
Homeo Man had mentioned remedies reacting with ethanol. I looked at the list to see if any remedies were likely to react with ethanol. It seemed possible that Kali Bichromicum, potassium dichromate, might react with ethanol. It is used in breathalyzer tests; sulfuric acid is also included. Maybe a chemistry pro would know how much of a reaction you would get in the absence of the acid.
Anyway, I emailed a remedy-producing company in the US to ask if this was a problem, and what they did about it, They said that for ingredients which would react with ethanol, including Kali Bichrom. they diluted the earlier potencies in water instead of ethanol, or else they triturated them. I also ermailed Boiron, but haven't got an answer so far.
(if the remedies were diluted in ethanol at a later stage but while there was still some amount of material in the solution, a reaction might still occur. The preparer just wouldn't notice it. The reaction products would still be diluted out during subsequent dilutions, as discussed in other posts here. If this is the way Hahnemann originally prepared the remedy, I suppose it wouldn't matter what happened to the actual material during the dilution and potentization process for its supposed efficacy.)
Ashles said:
Pls be specific to interact atleast with him. One can't attend 10/15 somewhat similar postings & interact/reply with all at a time. Team suould of equal players on each side to justify the game. Furthur just try to think in positive way or atleast not in negative way, to get proper & productive replies replies. It is not necessary to fight for reproduction...or for progress.
Dr. MAS said:Kumar said:
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I have asked him to exaplain it on a thread I set up especially for that pupose.
What's all this rubbish about team numbers? It's not a sport. He's explaining something.
When you go to a lecture there is one lecturer and many students. You don't have an equal number of lecturers to students.
In the real world - a good teacher explains. You seem to think Dr. MAS is a super teacher so this should be easy for him.
And I have been extremely positive, constantly asking Dr. MAS to explain his theory, and trying to keep the thread clear for him.
Why do you think he is failing to use this opportunity to explain and provide information to people who are eagerly asking for it?
Ashles,
Many people ask similar type questions. Many post are moulded in several ways. Many posts are insulting. Many posts are TTT, TTTT, discouraging, unnecessary, egoistic/superiority, preconvinced types... It becomes difficult to handle, manipulate awnsers, type. devote times & so on. Just try your self to handle, when all or mosts are opposite to you. It is common logic to understand. Whatever I suggested is a best soultion, if all want to participate which they deserve & should do, but not 10/15 interact with one at one time.
Many people ask similar type questions. Many post are moulded in several ways. Many posts are insulting. Many posts are TTT, TTTT, discouraging, unnecessary, egoistic/superiority, preconvinced types... It becomes difficult to handle, manipulate awnsers, type. devote times & so on. Just try your self to handle, when all or mosts are opposite to you. It is common logic to understand. Whatever I suggested is a best soultion, if all want to participate which they deserve & should do, but not 10/15 interact with one at one time.
Yes. Many people have asked MAS to explain his theory - something that he himself said he would do.Kumar said:
What's the problem?
Well instead of concentrating on random, unrelated posts maybe MAS should start by outlining his theory. That would be a sensible place to begin.
Since returning from his supension MAS has made fifteen posts. Not one of these has been an offer to explain homeopathy any time soon, although that is theoretically why he is here.
Do you not think the most sensible thing for Dr. MAS would be to explein his theory first - then he can start addressing questions about it afterwards?
Ashles said:
Probably, he wants to be absolute/sure in advance about your preferances towards absolute or non ansolute insistances. You may not agree on "absolutes", but may want absolutes from us. So he just want to understand you & not to give any chance.
"Clevers don't reveal their mind so easily, unless previously satisfied for the returns".
It(absolute) can be a part of homeopathy but it can't be in science as you also accept. So just take absolute, persisting & new indications as per homeopathy & same 'not yet absolute' indications in science. That is also one by one in polite, contributing & respectable language. Make the discussions more sober, contributing & productive not TTTT, DTP..
These are just my views & feelings--non absolute type in..
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Dr. MAS said:
No. Although I can't make you answer, I'm not going to give you any more time before judging that you cannot do the basic arithmetic I presented to you. I created the questions because I, along with most of the other people here, already knew the answers. You claimed to have all the answers already. You patently do not.
These are very simple facts MAS, anyone with even an early high school science education should know them. You say you have two PhDs, yet you can't give answers that I would expect a 14 year old to give!!
Go on, surprise me with your full and insightful explanation. That would be worth a million rupees!
Chris Haynes
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Dr. MAS said:quote:
..Dr. MAS: Yes, a very simple and good question.
We may start from this point. I claim we can treat an incureable case of any disease entirely with the help of homeopathic medicines.
If you detail us (homeopaths) to treat 10 AIDS / Hepatitis etc confirmed patients and if we succeed in curing 8 out 10 then you might confirm that "Homeopathic medicines have good healing effects / property against human diseases"...
This is from the first page of this thread... and it seems that a cure for HIV/AIDS is going to be needed quickly in Pakistan:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/wvmeero/111391871836.htm
Especially since India's homepaths do not seem to be making much headway with HIV/AIDS:
http://w3.whosea.org/en/Section10/Section18/Section348.htm
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If Dr. MAS hasn't realised by now that everybody on this forum would prefer him to present his theory, well, frankly, he must be incredibly stupid.Kumar said:
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Mojo said:
His level of intelligence (or lack thereof) is becoming quite evident.
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Mr. MAS is complaining that he is incredibly busy and simply doesn't have time to answer posts. Let's see how he did for the month of April.
Among new forum members for the month of April, Mr. MAS was the second most prolific with 124 posts. I would think that if he has time to post that much, he would have time to answer BSM's simple math question and answer the question which we've all been asking for some time, which is what is his theory as to why he thinks homeopathy works.
Among new forum members for the month of April, Mr. MAS was the second most prolific with 124 posts. I would think that if he has time to post that much, he would have time to answer BSM's simple math question and answer the question which we've all been asking for some time, which is what is his theory as to why he thinks homeopathy works.
Kumar said:Probably, he wants to be absolute/sure in advance about your preferances towards absolute or non ansolute insistances. You may not agree on "absolutes", but may want absolutes from us. So he just want to understand you & not to give any chance.
"Clevers don't reveal their mind so easily, unless previously satisfied for the returns".
It(absolute) can be a part of homeopathy but it can't be in science as you also accept. So just take absolute, persisting & new indications as per homeopathy & same 'not yet absolute' indications in science. That is also one by one in polite, contributing & respectable language. Make the discussions more sober, contributing & productive not TTTT, DTP..
These are just my views & feelings--non absolute type in..
Kumar:
Sorry, old chap, but I'm calling bull(rule 8) on this one. "Dr." MAS claims to be a teacher AND claims he can explain homeopathy. When I was in college and taking science courses, the teacher didn't tell us on day one of classes he or she was going to test us to see if we were worthy of the great knowledge of chemistry. They assumed, rightly or wrongly, that we as competent students, could handle the theories OR we would seek help. A teacher does a great disservice to anyone asking for knowledge by turning them away. They may be busy, all of us have moments where we can't be interrupted, but a true teacher sets aside time to TEACH. We in American have office hours where students can seek help. There are graduate students that can help the teacher, we alreadt know "Dr." MAS is willing to let his students post under his name so he has that resource available to him as well. If the will is there, time can be made to enlighten others.
Kumar, although I don't expect you to understand this, it is plain rude to say to someone who claims to want to learn "No" especially when you have gone out of your way to say "hey I can prove you are wrong". It is rude to drag out a discussion about a subject you claim to be an expert on without deigning to answer even the simplest of questions. "Dr." MAS can read, it took me maybe an hour to read through this whole topic. The questions are basic, freshman level chemistry, heck they are even simpler than that, its really pre-high school math. Its just saying whether or not one number is bigger than another when you get right down to it. If I asked you "Is ten bigger tahn or smaller than 10,000?" I think even you could get the point.
Lets be honest here, MAS has NO coherent theory of how homeopathy works that can remotely be demostrated to be scientific. If homeopathy works, and double blind tests show time and again it doesn't, it would change the face of science. "Dr." MAS could have a Nobel Prize for his theory, heck prizes would rain upon him and his institute. He'd have to carry a stick to beat off the students who would flock to him. So, as the commercial says, where's "Dr." MAS' beef? Where is the proof?
Marc
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Perpetual N:
I wouldn't hold my breath, I think herr Doktor realizes how deep the pile of stuff he dropped himself into really is. He is aware that his audience is paying attention and more than capable of ripping his tired theories apart.
Marc
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I will settle for quality over quantity at this point when it comes to posts.
I realize we're unlikely to get a straightforward answer, but I'm stubborn.
I realize we're unlikely to get a straightforward answer, but I'm stubborn.
If he says he is busy, maybe he is busy. Maybe he has limited computer time, and needs extra time because of language differences. Maybe he is trying to write up his whole idea rather than answer people's questions as they come. Why not take him at his word, and save the criticism for his actual theories?
marcchem said:Kumar:
Sorry, old chap, but I'm calling bull(rule 8) on this one. "Dr." MAS claims to be a teacher AND claims he can explain homeopathy. When I was in college and taking science courses, the teacher didn't tell us on day one of classes he or she was going to test us to see if we were worthy of the great knowledge of chemistry. They assumed, rightly or wrongly, that we as competent students, could handle the theories OR we would seek help. A teacher does a great disservice to anyone asking for knowledge by turning them away. They may be busy, all of us have moments where we can't be interrupted, but a true teacher sets aside time to TEACH. We in American have office hours where students can seek help. There are graduate students that can help the teacher, we alreadt know "Dr." MAS is willing to let his students post under his name so he has that resource available to him as well. If the will is there, time can be made to enlighten others.
Kumar, although I don't expect you to understand this, it is plain rude to say to someone who claims to want to learn "No" especially when you have gone out of your way to say "hey I can prove you are wrong". It is rude to drag out a discussion about a subject you claim to be an expert on without deigning to answer even the simplest of questions. "Dr." MAS can read, it took me maybe an hour to read through this whole topic. The questions are basic, freshman level chemistry, heck they are even simpler than that, its really pre-high school math. Its just saying whether or not one number is bigger than another when you get right down to it. If I asked you "Is ten bigger tahn or smaller than 10,000?" I think even you could get the point.
Lets be honest here, MAS has NO coherent theory of how homeopathy works that can remotely be demostrated to be scientific. If homeopathy works, and double blind tests show time and again it doesn't, it would change the face of science. "Dr." MAS could have a Nobel Prize for his theory, heck prizes would rain upon him and his institute. He'd have to carry a stick to beat off the students who would flock to him. So, as the commercial says, where's "Dr." MAS' beef? Where is the proof?
Marc
Marc,
Nice post. In this respect I would like to indicate as per your paras:-
Your first para is absolutely correct provided people here consider themselves as 10/15 year old students OR just students--if they want to learn. However if they want to discuss & aurge then there is no question of student-teacher considerations. Let all of them clear accordingly & confirm with pure heart. If Dr.Mas says homeopathy works as teacher, people should accept & endorss yes, it works--if they are student(an give prize money to him
). Have you aurged/contradicted/insulted/not accepted...teacher's tellings when you was a student. A Teacher is alike GOD esp. when he is teaching free. I usually discuss & tell OR share & give, alike a person with 'O' negative blood group .
My discussions are usually dynamic & different types as I usually hate to waste mine & other's time & energy on routines which we can easily find from here or there. So all things/fights/interactions....can be there to create & bring the new child. We can sometimes be lost or get some adverses, when searching in Jungle, something not yet seen....means hidden tressure...or a "great hunt". I don't mind as I understand all this, but probably other don't.You can see in your last para, how you are pre-misguided or convinced & how take to a teacher. To understand & get homeopathy & its benefits, first respect & accept it like a teacher or GOD. Then you will definately getsomething as We & other mass.....getting.
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Sorry if I am bit bold & clear. Best wishes.
What school did you go to where you couldn't question your teacher, especially when he is so obviously wrong?Kumar said:Marc,
Nice post. In this respect I would like to indicate as per your paras:-
Your first para is absolutely correct provided people here consider themselves as 10/15 year old students OR just students--if they want to learn. However if they want to discuss & aurge then there is no question of student-teacher considerations. Let all of them clear accordingly & confirm with pure heart. If Dr.Mas says homeopathy works as teacher, people should accept & endorss yes, it works--if they are student(an give prize money to him
You don't like wasting time? News to me.
I usually discuss & tell OR share & give, alike a person with 'O' negative blood group .
Blind faith. No questions asked. Sounds a bit like Catholicism.
Donks said:
How can a student decide that teacher is so obviously wrong?
Moreover you don't want to accept anything as precocieved. I have shown you how small stimuli can trigger & pursue the mental activity so the physiological activities, in your language, which justify effects of homeopathic effects can be possible by small stimuli, but still you don't accept. However that small stimuli is to be bit cleared in case of higher dilutions.