What if Nazism wasn't anti-Semitic?

[MaGZ]

I believe you have gathered this "gem" of informaton from holocaust denier, Ernst Zundel's Nazi UFO website. Zundel uses the name "Christof Friedrich", his middle names, as a pseudonym in his NAZI UFO rants.

Here is an overview of how "nutty" Zundel actually is
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/expedition.html

He also published a book.."The Hitler we loved and why"
http://www.infibeam.com/Books/info/Christof-Friedrich/The-Hitler-We-Loved-Why/1593640234.html

The Holocaust Denial industry has people like Zundel and Irving sell books to complete idiots for profit. That's why holocaust denial exists....to sell books to a captive audience of low brows.

Wrong,

This information comes from the documentary "Mission for Mussolini". Italian journalist Luigi Romersa witnessed the nuclear explosion in the Fall of 1944 on an island in the Baltic Sea.

 

[zooterkin]

Wrong,

This information comes from the documentary "Mission for Mussolini". Italian journalist Luigi Romersa witnessed the nuclear explosion in the Fall of 1944 on an island in the Baltic Sea.

Even if what Romersa claims to have seen really happened, it wasn't an atomic bomb (fission or fusion), but a 'dirty bomb', spreading radioactive material by means of conventional explosives.

 

[MaGZ]

Even if what Romersa claims to have seen really happened, it wasn't an atomic bomb (fission or fusion), but a 'dirty bomb', spreading radioactive material by means of conventional explosives.

A 'dirty bomb' doesn't have the bright flash and mushroom cloud of a nuclear blast.

You are ignorant on the topic of 'dirty bomb'.

 

[Cleon]

A 'dirty bomb' doesn't have the bright flash and mushroom cloud of a nuclear blast.

You are ignorant on the topic of 'dirty bomb'.

You seem to be unaware that mushroom clouds are not unique to nuclear weapons.

 

[zooterkin]

A 'dirty bomb' doesn't have the bright flash and mushroom cloud of a nuclear blast.

Do you think that only nuclear bombs have a mushroom cloud? What's your reference for a mushroom cloud being seen, anyway?

Recent developments

A book by Rainer Karlsch, Hitler's Bombe, published in 2005, alleges that Diebner's team tested a nuclear device on March 3, 1945 in Ohrdruf , Thuringia, allegedly very close to, and within sight of, the site of the Ohrdruf concentration camp. Documents on which the book is based shed light on the motivations of the German scientists working on the paths of nuclear reactors and isotope separation ; the scientific historian Mark Walker also published his analysis in 2005.

In an approximately 45 minute made-for-TV documentary entitled Mission For Mussolini the presenters suggest that at least two bright explosions took place first in October of 1944 and then in March of 1945. Interviewed in the documentary, Karlsch states that the program headed by Diebner developed a radiological dispersal device or "dirty bomb". This is not a nuclear weapon as such. It is radioactive material wrapped around high explosives.

First, the documentary features Italian Reporter Luigi Romersa (1917-2007) who claims that in about October 1st-10th of 1944, on an island in the Baltic Sea near Germany, he witnessed a bright explosion of a nuclear device with he said had left a radiation residue.

Second, the documentary features a woman who said that on March 3rd of 1945, she also witnessed a huge explosion within Germany

You are ignorant...

 

[MaGZ]

Do you think that only nuclear bombs have a mushroom cloud? What's your reference for a mushroom cloud being seen, anyway?

I actually saw the documentary on the Military Channel and there was no reference to a dirty bomb. The documentary supports nuclear detonations by Germany in the Fall of 1944 and March 1945.

Dirty bombs are post-9/11 weapons. No country in during WW II was seeking to build a dirty bomb.

 

[dafydd]

German scientists did detonate a nuclear bomb in the Fall of 1944 near the Baltic Sea without the help of Jewish physicists and again in March 1945 in central Germany.

Lol,now you must be trolling.

 

[dafydd]

No, not this time. Eventually you will all acknowledge Germany had the bomb.

No we won't.

 

[dafydd]

Evidence for you and others on this forum is something that is agreed upon consensus. This standard is not always the truth.

You wouldn't recognise the truth even if it jumped up and bit you in the arse.

 

[zooterkin]

Dirty bombs are post-9/11 weapons.

What possible connection is there between September 11 and dirty bombs?

 

[Corsair 115]

This information comes from the documentary "Mission for Mussolini". Italian journalist Luigi Romersa witnessed the nuclear explosion in the Fall of 1944 on an island in the Baltic Sea.

Insufficient evidence to prove claim. Please try again. See post #65 for a list of the kinds of evidence needed to verify your assertion.

 

[zooterkin]

I actually saw the documentary on the Military Channel and there was no reference to a dirty bomb. The documentary supports nuclear detonations by Germany in the Fall of 1944 and March 1945.

According to you; according to the site I quoted, the same documentary supports the idea that if Germany was doing anything in the field, it was producing a dirty bomb, not a fission weapon. There's not a whole lot of evidence either way.

Dirty bombs are post-9/11 weapons.

My immediate reaction, above, was that this is nonsense. Now I've had a chance to do a tiny amount of research, I can say categorically that it is complete bollocks. The fear of a terrorist dirty bomb may have increased after the WTC attack, but that was just due to increased awareness of terrorism, particularly in the US (outside the US, we've been aware of terrorism for some time). For example, in 1990s, Chechen separatists placed a couple of dirty bombs (although they may not have ever intended to detonate them). The idea of a terrorist dirty bomb goes back much further.

Are all your statements as well-researched as that one?

No country in during WW II was seeking to build a dirty bomb.

Apart from, possibly, Germany...

 

[HumanityBlues]

If Hitler weren't antisemitic, nothing would be different except a bunch of jews wouldn't die. It's not like the United States got into the war because Jews were being killed. Some of the countries seemed quite happy to hand their Jews over as well. So, in terms of the Germany losing the war, I don't think much would have changed.

That being said, whether the state of Israel would be in existence, that is another story.

 

[JcR]

So you are clearly stating that Jews are the gatekeepers to nuclear technology, thanks for clearing that up.

He forgot Fermi...he was Italian

 

[JcR]

If Hitler weren't antisemitic, nothing would be different except a bunch of jews wouldn't die. It's not like the United States got into the war because Jews were being killed. Some of the countries seemed quite happy to hand their Jews over as well. So, in terms of the Germany losing the war, I don't think much would have changed.

That being said, whether the state of Israel would be in existence, that is another story.

Interesting! Me and a friend had a discussion about; What if the Nazi's had helped established a state for the Jews. From the Nile to wherever.
Pack your bags your going home! see ya

 

[Thunder]

Dirty bombs are post-9/11 weapons.

wrong. again.

a dirty bomb is simply a radiation dispersal device. it can be as simple as a piece of dynamite wrapped in radioactive material stolen from an x-ray machine.

 

[Ikarus]

Dirty bombs are post-9/11 weapons.

What the flipping ****, I don't even?

These guys...

Seriously, how can the rest of us ever expect to get through to and rid of so much nonsense? It's near depressing to know people on my planet think like MaGZ.

Sorry, MaGZ, you are probably somewhere near or under 16, so it's okay, you're allowed to think bendy. But listen to the good folk here and try to understand their logic and evidence. It will help you a lot when you grow up. It's actually really good that you're here and I'm thankful. But you got these wacky theories somewhere, and they were conceived by adults AFAIK, who should know a bit more about things. And that is incredible to think about. The same way we have a hard time understanding why the Germans ran with Hitler and his crazy ideas.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Wrong,

This information comes from the documentary "Mission for Mussolini". Italian journalist Luigi Romersa witnessed the nuclear explosion in the Fall of 1944 on an island in the Baltic Sea.

Do you mean this?

On Mussolini's invitation, he went to Germany to be present for Nazi war experiments in October 1944 in Rügen Island, in the Baltic Sea: in fact Hitler wanted to show a new bomb to Mussolini.[1] This is told in Hitler's Bomb by the German historian Rainer Karlsch (Hitlers Bombe (Hitler's Bomb) - ISBN 3-421-05809-1, released on March 14, 2005).

Which was recapped in this book

Hitlers Bombe (Hitler's Bomb) is a nonfiction book by the German historian Rainer Karlsch published in March 2005, which claims to have evidence concerning the development and testing of a possible "nuclear weapon" by Nazi Germany in 1945. The "weapon" in question is not alleged to be a standard nuclear weapon powered by nuclear fission, but something closer to either a radiological weapon (a so-called "dirty bomb") or a hybrid-nuclear fusion weapon. Its new evidence is concerned primarily with the parts of the German nuclear energy project under Kurt Diebner.

Now look at the dates Saggy. What is the first problem that you see?
(One book says "October 1944", The other says "1945")

Where was Mussolini being held by Hitler in October 1944 after requesting to make peace with the Allies? (Lombardy)

Where was the Russian front in the Baltic islands in October 1944?
(I am checking the Soviet lines for this date as this is during Bagration when the Soviets forced Germans into Corland Islands and peninsulas.....an odd place to test a "radiation" bomb if your own troops are there)


Where is the radiation on Rügen Island from the bomb? (Remember that this is where we first pick up non-soviet landed radiation from Chenobyl. (In February 2006, full tests on the soil at the proposed test site were released by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB), revealing no abnormal background levels of radiation after taking into account the already elevated background levels as a result of the Chernobyl accident in 1986. The PTB release emphasized that while it could not necessarily rule out a German test conclusively, that soil analysis of that site revealed absolutely no evidence of it)

How did Germany separate plutonium without a separation factory?
(The US facility for wartime plutonium production, in Hanford WA, was 500,000 acres in size)

 

[dtugg]

German scientists did detonate a nuclear bomb in the Fall of 1944 near the Baltic Sea without the help of Jewish physicists and again in March 1945 in central Germany.

Do you actually believe this or are you just trolling? 'Cause that is one of the most batcrap crazy ideas I have ever heard.

 

[MaGZ]

Do you mean this?

On Mussolini's invitation, he went to Germany to be present for Nazi war experiments in October 1944 in Rügen Island, in the Baltic Sea: in fact Hitler wanted to show a new bomb to Mussolini.[1] This is told in Hitler's Bomb by the German historian Rainer Karlsch (Hitlers Bombe (Hitler's Bomb) - ISBN 3-421-05809-1, released on March 14, 2005).

Which was recapped in this book

Hitlers Bombe (Hitler's Bomb) is a nonfiction book by the German historian Rainer Karlsch published in March 2005, which claims to have evidence concerning the development and testing of a possible "nuclear weapon" by Nazi Germany in 1945. The "weapon" in question is not alleged to be a standard nuclear weapon powered by nuclear fission, but something closer to either a radiological weapon (a so-called "dirty bomb") or a hybrid-nuclear fusion weapon. Its new evidence is concerned primarily with the parts of the German nuclear energy project under Kurt Diebner.

Now look at the dates Saggy. What is the first problem that you see?
(One book says "October 1944", The other says "1945")

Where was Mussolini being held by Hitler in October 1944 after requesting to make peace with the Allies? (Lombardy)

Where was the Russian front in the Baltic islands in October 1944?
(I am checking the Soviet lines for this date as this is during Bagration when the Soviets forced Germans into Corland Islands and peninsulas.....an odd place to test a "radiation" bomb if your own troops are there)


Where is the radiation on Rügen Island from the bomb? (Remember that this is where we first pick up non-soviet landed radiation from Chenobyl. (In February 2006, full tests on the soil at the proposed test site were released by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB), revealing no abnormal background levels of radiation after taking into account the already elevated background levels as a result of the Chernobyl accident in 1986. The PTB release emphasized that while it could not necessarily rule out a German test conclusively, that soil analysis of that site revealed absolutely no evidence of it)

How did Germany separate plutonium without a separation factory?
(The US facility for wartime plutonium production, in Hanford WA, was 500,000 acres in size)

I saw the program again yesterday morning on the Military Channel. The island for the first blast happened in October 1944. The Italian journalist was an eyewitness and after the blast the leaves on the trees were burnt.

The second test was in March 1945 at night and one witness saw the classic mushroom fire ball. A old woman who was a young girl at the time described it as a tree blooming and being able to read a newspaper at night.

The water reactor was located and also radioactive slag was found on the island where the first test occurred.

Also in the March 1945 test, 500 Soviet prisoners were use a test subjects.

Do you think I am making this up?