What if Nazism wasn't anti-Semitic?

Do you think I am making this up?

Well, you have played a little fast and loose with the truth before now. Just a little. I mean, I'm not saying that I'd utterly disbelieve you if you said the sky was blue, but at the very least, I'd look outside, call up some friends to check and finally ring up the Met Office.
 
Hey, Nazi boy. In your fantasy world, why did your heroes refrain from using the bomb? Did they not want to win the war? Or were they just nicer than the Americans?
 
Well, you have played a little fast and loose with the truth before now. Just a little. I mean, I'm not saying that I'd utterly disbelieve you if you said the sky was blue, but at the very least, I'd look outside, call up some friends to check and finally ring up the Met Office.

Thanks for giving the benefit of the doubt.

The real concern over this issue by the skeptics in this thread is not that the Germans got the bomb first, but we may have been lied to and not told the truth on this topic. You and others here are now forced to ask the next questions: What else have I not be told and are there other subjects I have been lied to by the official historians?

These posts are off topic and should be moved into another thread.
 
Now we only need to get the Military Channel to air a documentary about the Holocaust, so MaGZ will finally believe that.
 
Thanks for giving the benefit of the doubt.

The real concern over this issue by the skeptics in this thread is not that the Germans got the bomb first, but we may have been lied to and not told the truth on this topic. You and others here are now forced to ask the next questions: What else have I not be told and are there other subjects I have been lied to by the official historians?

These posts are off topic and should be moved into another thread.

No, this is not an issue since your Nazi heroes never have the bomb.

And again, if they had it why didn't they use it? Did it just slip their minds?
 
What the flipping ****, I don't even? :jaw-dropp

These guys... :confused:

Seriously, how can the rest of us ever expect to get through to and rid of so much nonsense? It's near depressing to know people on my planet think like MaGZ.

Sorry, MaGZ, you are probably somewhere near or under 16, so it's okay, you're allowed to think bendy. But listen to the good folk here and try to understand their logic and evidence. It will help you a lot when you grow up. It's actually really good that you're here and I'm thankful. But you got these wacky theories somewhere, and they were conceived by adults AFAIK, who should know a bit more about things. And that is incredible to think about. The same way we have a hard time understanding why the Germans ran with Hitler and his crazy ideas.

Around 14 I would guess.
 
Dirty bombs are post-9/11 weapons.
Utter nonsense. During the Manhattan project radiological dispersal devices were considered as an alternate to fission weapons; indeed efforts were made to plan for mass production of Co60 for use against Germany. Then there was Heinlein's "Solution Unsatisfactory", published in 1940 (before the Manhattan project began). It was an excellent prediction of the project, by the way.

My immediate reaction, above, was that this is nonsense. Now I've had a chance to do a tiny amount of research, I can say categorically that it is complete bollocks. The fear of a terrorist dirty bomb may have increased after the WTC attack, but that was just due to increased awareness of terrorism, particularly in the US (outside the US, we've been aware of terrorism for some time). For example, in 1990s, Chechen separatists placed a couple of dirty bombs (although they may not have ever intended to detonate them). The idea of a terrorist dirty bomb goes back much further.
Indeed during WW2 the allies were concerned about possible German use of radiological weapons, especially against the Normandy landings; this lead to "Operation Peppermint" and the production of hundreds of radiation detectors for military field use (such as the Victoreen 247 a friend of mine has).

As for Magz's ludicrous claims that Nazi Germany built a workable fission or fusion bomb, well where did they get the fissile material? Germany didn't (couldn't) build a workable reactor to produce Plutonium 239 (or U233 from Thorium) and hadn't the resources to enrich Uranium to a weapons usable level. Then there was the lack of Uranium, heavy water (the Germans didn't figure out how to use graphite as a neutron moderator). They didn't even have a workable theory because they worked from the perspective of slow neutron fission, leading to the premise that a bomb would be a reactor going through a deliberate meltdown. Fast neuton fission wasn't researched in depth, not least because of Heisenberg's errors in estimating the minimum critical mass (tonnes rather than kilograms) even after the war was over.
Nazi arrogance also hindered the project; despite having access to some intelligence on the Manhattan project (via Soviet espionage efforts relayed by German agents) they did not accept the allies could be making better progress. Ironically the Manhattan project was heavily motivated by fear that Germany might build atomic weapons first (hence Teller and Szilard persuading Einstein to write to Roosevelt).

If anyone's interested in the Nazi nuclear programme I suggest they study "Operation Epsilon"; the Farm Hall transcripts are publicly available.
As for US production of radioisotopes as a potential weapon, I refer you Nichols' memo "Use of Radioactive Materials as a Military Weapon" (30 October 1943).
 
>>> I'm not sure WW II would have turned out as it did if anti-Semitism [wasn't] a key platform in Nazi ideology.

This is true to the extent that anti-Semitism informed their anti-Communism. Hitler may not have lost if he had not decided to go after the USSR. However, his main motivation was Lebensraum and the destruction of 'Judeo-bolshevism', which made him under-estimate Soviet recuperative powers.

Of course, if Hitler was not an unhinged racist, he may have made better decisions, and not insisted that Germans should colonize every acre of eastern Europe. But, ironically, imagining Hitler as anything other than an unhinged racist is something that only other unhinged racists (e.g. Holocaust deniers) do.
 
Thinking about Jonathan Harrison's post, I do not think he went far enough.A large minority of the people of Germany wanted an extremist to come to power to give them pride again. Hitler won about 30% of the popular vote in the last election before WW2. He gave these people what he promised them. If Hitler had been killed in WW1 then some other extremist would have gain power. Maybe a little later, maybe with different extreme view, but that is the subject of another thread.
 

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