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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.2%

  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 35.4%

  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 32.9%

  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 17.7%

  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.1%

  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.6%
  • Total voters
    79
dirtywick said:
attempting to influence and especially undercut independent agencies is not something you want the president to be attempting. they should be introducing policy to create economic growth and let the fed handle the rates.

if you happen to be in the possession of any dollars and have any kind of use for them you want the fed to remain independent

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i also want to point out that inflation is only one factor and isn’t even always bad. inflation needs to be managed but it’s a natural part of fractional reserve banking. a managed inflation rate is a trade off for increased economic growth. dropping rates low isn’t great, it’s to address a problem.

so make good economic policy and let the fed manage the rate imo
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I understand and agree with everything you are saying.

But when it comes to the American people, optics are important. Especially when you are running for president.

The American people were really suffering, but when asked if Kamala would do anything different, she said no everything was done just fine.

The optics of that is very poor.
 
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Hercules56 said:
I understand and agree with everything you are saying.

But when it comes to the American people, optics are important. Especially when you are running for president.

The American people were really suffering, but when asked if Kamala would do anything different, she said no everything was done just fine.

The optics of that is very poor.
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ok well if you want them to just be giant liars making things up when it suits them i’ve seen the kind of president you get
 
dirtywick said:
ok well if you want them to just be giant liars making things up when it suits them i’ve seen the kind of president you get
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No need to lie, just adjust your statements so as to at least attempt to play to the audience so that the audience at least thinks that you might actually care about their situation.

Saying "I wouldn't have done a damn thing different", comes across as being kind of insensitive or even blind to the suffering of tens of millions of people.
 
Biden signed the inflation reduction act which almost certainly worsened inflation, Trump was also responsible for the profligate spending during Covid, so plenty of blame to go around. To be clear though, in US, that's mostly on Congress.

As a rule, presidents get too much blame and too much credit for the economy.

Biden's biggest mistake when it came to inflation was responding to it as though folks were actually upset about inflation and not the fact that ◊◊◊◊ cost more. So sure, inflation was decreasing but nobody felt that all they felt was that food cost more. And Bidens response was look at every other economic indicator, also, prices aren't going up as fast now. Not exactly convincing.
 
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the inflation reduction act was poorly titled. it should have been the recession prevention act. and i think that they should have been more honest that the economy wasn't doing as well as they presented it, which was a period of high inflation and mediocre growth, again the alternative was recession.

pretty soon we'll see the alternative and how much worse it is.

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and also, as far as the rule that presidents get too much credit and blame, i think that trump's absolutely nonsensical economic policy is probably an exception to the rule
 
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www.independent.co.uk

Trump’s ‘Liberation Day’ tariffs will be effective immediately: Live updates

Trump prepares sweeping reciprocal tariffs that threaten to trigger U.S. recession and global trade war, as Speaker Mike Johnson says, ‘You have to trust the president’s instincts on the economy’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

sounds like 20% on all imports effective immediately

so does he walk this back or how long does the rest of the world continue to play this game?
 
Hercules56 said:
I understand and agree with everything you are saying.

But when it comes to the American people, optics are important. Especially when you are running for president.

The American people were really suffering, but when asked if Kamala would do anything different, she said no everything was done just fine.

The optics of that is very poor.
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The pretense that this was ever about inflation or the economy remains delusional.

We had the strongest economy on the planet under Biden and now here we are with Trump actively tanking the economy and yet his approval rating remains flat.

It was a vibecession driven by propaganda, not actual material conditions.
 
ahhell said:
Biden signed the inflation reduction act which almost certainly worsened inflation, Trump was also responsible for the profligate spending during Covid, so plenty of blame to go around. To be clear though, in US, that's mostly on Congress.

As a rule, presidents get too much blame and too much credit for the economy.

Biden's biggest mistake when it came to inflation was responding to it as though folks were actually upset about inflation and not the fact that ◊◊◊◊ cost more. So sure, inflation was decreasing but nobody felt that all they felt was that food cost more. And Bidens response was look at every other economic indicator, also, prices aren't going up as fast now. Not exactly convincing.
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Overall economic conditions are worse now than they were when Biden was in office. Inflation is edging up and expected to get worse. Job growth has slowed. The stock market is in the toilet. A recession looms. And yet Trump’s approval rating remains stable.

It wasn’t about the economy.
 
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Reupping my increasingly validated theory that it wasn't about the economy.

However, to demonstrate that I am open-minded, I'm willing to entertain the theory that it actually was about the economy but Trump voters are the dumbest, most gullible marks in the history of human civilization.
 
Exhibit #4,861 that is wasn't ever about actual material conditions (shout out to shemp for providing the link in another thread):
Schulz says that now Chinese farms are buying from other countries in Africa and Europe. For the alfalfa now growing in Arizona’s fields, by the time it's ready to be harvested, there may not be a customer to buy it.

Losing about half of his business overnight has not been easy.

“It could break us," Schulz said. "It could break a lot of farmers.”

Schulz says he voted for President Donald Trump and believes in the goals of his tariff plan, to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. and expand exporter access to foreign markets.
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Sure my life is being destroyed, but I still support Trump

If only Democrats could have calibrated their messaging on economic policy to reach this voter.
 
johnny karate said:
Overall economic conditions are worse now than they were when Biden was in office. Inflation is edging up and expected to get worse. Job growth has slowed. The stock market is in the toilet. A recession looms. And yet Trump’s approval rating remains stable.

It wasn’t about the economy.
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If there was no inflation, Kamala would have won.
 
EHocking said:
It’s weird.
He spends half his time here claiming to dislike Trump and his policies and the other half of his time praising or defending Trump’s actions, statements and policies.
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Rather like my relationship with Greggs' Vegan Sausage Rolls. I spend half my time telling people to support local suppliers and not eat ultra processed food and the other half cramming these beauties into my maw. :blush:
 
if there was no inflation is a nonsensical statement anyway. inflation is one of the mechanisms used in fractional reserve banking to promote growth, and therefore intentional.
 
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