What did Democrats do wrong?

[Donal]

Google and publicly available information if you just move your fingers a wee teensy bit

You make a claim, you back it up. That is how it has always worked around here.

Anyone who gives a crap about the environment and reducing dependence on fossil fuels

So, what would you say to someone who used a false promise about a vacuum tube as a way to undermine actual high speed rail projects?

 

[johnny karate]

Anyone who gives a crap about the environment and reducing dependence on fossil fuels

Zero Republicans, then.

 

[Emily's Cat]

You make a claim, you back it up. That is how it has always worked around here.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... no it doesn't. People make unsupported claims all the damned time. People who agree with those claims accept them uncritically, with no evidence or support or reason whatsoever. The amount of accepted-on-faith claims around here is quite large. And just as often, any evidence provided gets rejected on spurious grounds on the same grounds of belief.

The call for evidence gets used as a very selective weapon. It gets used to try to imply that a lack of evidence is evidence of lack on topics where basic cognition and fundamental reason is at play. It gets used to challenge basic documented facts on the false premise that if someone doesn't footnote everything they say then it never happened - even when it's actually quite well known, like Musk sharing Tesla specs and technical info and lifting their own patent. And it frequently gets used to memory-hole the same topics over and over and over - there are several instances where the evidence has been presented and the challenger just goes silent for a bit, only to rise later and demand the same evidence again and again as if it never happened.

One in a very long while, someone asks for evidence that is relevant and reasonable to ask for, and that actually adds value to the conversation.

But most of the time, the demand for evidence is nothing more than a dodge and a blunt instrument for dismissing something you don't like.

 

[Olmstead]

Anyone who gives a crap about the environment and reducing dependence on fossil fuels

Whatever good he may or may not have done, he then got into bed with the anti-environmentalism party at its worst point, far outweighing even the most altruistic interpretations of his actions.

 

[Sherkeu]

My recent exchange is good example of what I've been talking about that Democrats did wrong: They failed to convince credulous dupes to not fall for obvious lies and propaganda.

The President has often puts forward American industry. Promotes it. Sells it. It actually is propaganda for America as a country. Most countries do it. All the time.
What exactly is your issue with the American corporation of Tesla and all of its domestic and global employees?

 

[Olmstead]

The President has often puts forward American industry. Promotes it. Sells it. It actually is propaganda for America as a country. Most countries do it. All the time.
What exactly is your issue with the American corporation of Tesla and all of its domestic and global employees?

He's not promoting American industry, he's promoting his gimp's industry that just happens to be American.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

You know why
they're all catching up, don't you? And why so many EV vehicles have come out from other manufacturers over the past few years? It's because Musk opened Tesla's EV patents and made them available for other manufacturers to use. They gave away their proprietary technology in order to support widespread adoption and affordability of non-fossil-fuel vehicles.

An electric vehicle is much simpler than an ICE or hybrid. Not sure what technology that Tesla had that anyone else needed to know about to make an electric vehicle.

As far as I'm aware the Chinese are up with the best in battery technology. If anything it's the rest of the world that need to catch up with Chinese manufacturers.

 

[Stacyhs]

The President has often puts forward American industry. Promotes it. Sells it. It actually is propaganda for America as a country. Most countries do it. All the time.
What exactly is your issue with the American corporation of Tesla and all of its domestic and global employees?

Trump and his minions are only pushing Teslas and Tesla stock because of Musk. Like everything else with Trump, it's transactional.
Trump's hardly been a fan of EVs before Musk came along to be his mini-me:

"They don't go far. They cost a fortune. You're in the middle of the desert and you say, 'You know what, we're running low on electric. Do they have a charger around anywhere?'"

"Where are you going? 'I'm going to Massachusetts.' Well, you better get yourself a gas turbine because this car is not going to get you there. Well, you could, if you stop about four times."

"[the Biden administration [is] selling Americans "down the river with his ridiculous all Electric Car Hoax."

Electric cars are "the idea of the Radical Left Fascists, Marxists, & Communists. Within 3 years, all of these cars will be made in China."

 

[Donal]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... no it doesn't.

It absolutely is. Just because it doesn't get called all the time doesn't mean it is on the person you are speaking to is on the hook to do your work. There's also an issue of credibility. You are constantly talking out your ass, so you don't have it.

"durr, look it up" is some nonsense that a high school freshman wouldn't get away with. It doesn't surprise me at all you can't even meet that standard.

 

[johnny karate]

The President has often puts forward American industry. Promotes it. Sells it. It actually is propaganda for America as a country. Most countries do it. All the time.
What exactly is your issue with the American corporation of Tesla and all of its domestic and global employees?

As already pointed out, Trump wasn't putting forward "American industry". That's what Biden was doing in your failed attempt at whataboutism. Trump was promoting a specific company at the behest of its CEO unrelated to any official policy. His Commerce Secretary just did the same thing on Fox News. It's pure graft.

 

[plague311]

It absolutely is. Just because it doesn't get called all the time doesn't mean it is on the person you are speaking to is on the hook to do your work. There's also an issue of credibility. You are constantly talking out your ass, so you don't have it.

"durr, look it up" is some nonsense that a high school freshman wouldn't get away with. It doesn't surprise me at all you can't even meet that standard.

Also, no one is asking for a link to every sentence but when specifically asked to cite sources it's generally good practice to support your claims. If I say dogs like dog food, I'm not going to source that. It's pretty common sense....but if someone says, "I'll need you to back that up" then I definitely would because it's easy to do.

 

[Tero]

Offended 70 million for hanging on to conspiracy theories.

 

[Hercules56]

Refusing the idea that anything could have been done differently regarding inflation, even to simply indulge the masses that wish there was.

When Kamala said "i wouldnt have done one single thing different", it wasn't good.

 

[Tero]

Inflation. What a joke: the president controls inflation. But now..in a way Trump does. By causing it.

 

[Hercules56]

Inflation. What a joke: the president controls inflation. But now..in a way Trump does. By causing it.

Biden could have demanded the Fed increase interest rates to try to stop the inflation.

 

[Tero]

Let economists be economists. Lawyers...I try to make some sense of it.

 

[dirtywick]

Biden could have demanded the Fed increase interest rates to try to stop the inflation.

the fed is independent, biden likely would have had the same problems trump has run into when he demanded the fed do things.

the fed increased interest rates on its own to fight inflation because it’s sound monetary policy to do so.

 

[Hercules56]

the fed is independent, biden likely would have had the same problems trump has run into when he demanded the fed do things.

the fed increased interest rates on its own to fight inflation because it’s sound monetary policy to do so.

Its not the result that matters, its the attempt. So he can say later "I tried".

Or Kamala could have said "I would have tried to convince the Fed to raise rates faster and sooner".

 

[dirtywick]

Its not the result that matters, its the attempt. So he can say later "I tried".

Or Kamala could have said "I would have tried to convince the Fed to raise rates faster and sooner".

attempting to influence and especially undercut independent agencies is not something you want the president to be attempting. they should be introducing policy to create economic growth and let the fed handle the rates.

if you happen to be in the possession of any dollars and have any kind of use for them you want the fed to remain independent

edit

i also want to point out that inflation is only one factor and isn’t even always bad. inflation needs to be managed but it’s a natural part of fractional reserve banking. a managed inflation rate is a trade off for increased economic growth. dropping rates low isn’t great, it’s to address a problem.

so make good economic policy and let the fed manage the rate imo

 

[plague311]

Its not the result that matters, its the attempt. So he can say later "I tried".

Or Kamala could have said "I would have tried to convince the Fed to raise rates faster and sooner".

I'm not sure if, "I wanted to raise your interest rates back when everyone was struggling way faster\sooner if I'd had my way" is the flex you think it is.

Maybe, MAYBE some people would have understood but the people crying, pissing and moaning about inflation now don't understand the way ◊◊◊◊ works. The high information, educated voter wasn't confused at how inflation works and how it needed to be controlled. They don't care. Inflation was a buzz word.