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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.2%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 27.8%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 35.4%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 32.9%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.8%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 17.7%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.1%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.6%

  • Total voters
    79
I am not American. However, in my opinion the only real issue with Kamala and Biden was their continued tacit support through arms supplies of Israeli oppression of the Palestinians.
This did annoy many Democrats, especially Muslims.
 
Donald Trump said:
Somebody said, 'oh, the shelves are gonna be open.' Well, maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls, and maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more."

If only Democrats had calibrated their messaging people wouldn't have voted for this very predicatable thing that they were repeatedly warned about.
 
If only Democrats had calibrated their messaging people wouldn't have voted for this very predicatable thing that they were repeatedly warned about.
Problem is they repeatedly warned about what would happen under Trump, but didn't acknowledge that things weren't that great under Biden either. The economy was doing 'great' but the average person couldn't see how they were benefiting.

Yes, Biden had managed to get inflation under control. But prices remained high. To bring them down would require deflation, which everyone agrees is a Bad Thing. The only other logical solution is to raise incomes, but that wasn't pushed because it would increase inflation!

The truth is, the economy wasn't doing quite as well as the published figures indicated. Other indicators suggest it was headed towards stagnation, which nobody wants. So some people voted for the candidate who offered a crazy solution that just might work (fat chance, but Trump was so sure of himself...).

Dems should indeed have 'calibrated' their message. You don't tell people who are hurting that everythings's fine - you tell them how your new policies are going to make it better. Then you tell them how the opposition's policies will scupper that initative to make everything worse. But it's difficult to argue that tariffs are bad when Biden is already putting traiffs on China.

One thing a lot of people got stuck on was the price of eggs. Dems should have explained why egg prices were high and what they were going to do about it. The truth is, the Biden administration was not doing enough and the situation was out of control.

It's easier to point out that mass deportations are bad if you front up to the number you are already deporting. Dems failed to counter the lie that they were for wide open borders, which seems perplexing because they had the evidence to prove it was a lie but didn't use it. The reason of course is that they didn't want to upset their base - which is stupid because they would vote Democrat anyway.

Dems also made a big deal about LGBT when only a tiny fraction of voters are in that demographic. They should have calibrated their message to 'everybody gets treated the same without any favoritism' ie. the same message but with a different slant that appeals more to the majority. Dems also got upset about people being labeled 'DEI'. They should have used the same tactic on that one too. For example, air traffic controllers were in short supply in part because many applicants were being turned away for suspicious reasons. Dems could have made a big deal about how they were going to fix that.

Another thing they should have done was show how their climate change mitigation policies were making it better for individuals, not just 'the planet'. Or if they weren't, what new policies they had which would. Most people vote for themselves first. If you want their vote you need to show how you will benefit them personally.

Finally, Dems should have acknowledged than Biden's policies were blowing out the national debt, and they should have had a plan in place to 'fix' it. Their own DOGE, if you will (it might be just as symbolic and ineffective, but a lot less traumatic because it would have actual experts running it). Now you might point out that they actually did have a department which was doing just that, but who knew?

In short, Dems continued to run on 'orange man bad' without showing what they were going to do improve the average citizen's lot. And 'same as we are already doing' wouldn't cut it.

Another thing Harris should have done was not concentrate on rallies. They were a waste of time and money because only the faithful attended. Trump figured that out when he couldn't get the same numbers. The rallies only made it worse because while Dems were patting themselves on the back for being so popular, the rest of the population was watching TV or social media and seeing Trump offer more actual policies that would (purportedly) benefit them. This amplified the feeling that Democrats were 'out of touch'.
 
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Problem is they repeatedly warned about what would happen under Trump, but didn't acknowledge that things weren't that great under Biden either. The economy was doing 'great' but the average person couldn't see how they were benefiting.

Yes, Biden had managed to get inflation under control. But prices remained high. To bring them down would require deflation, which everyone agrees is a Bad Thing. The only other logical solution is to raise incomes, but that wasn't pushed because it would increase inflation!

The truth is, the economy wasn't doing quite as well as the published figures indicated. Other indicators suggest it was headed towards stagnation, which nobody wants. So some people voted for the candidate who offered a crazy solution that just might work (fat chance, but Trump was so sure of himself...).

Dems should indeed have 'calibrated' their message. You don't tell people who are hurting that everythings's fine - you tell them how your new policies are going to make it better. Then you tell them how the opposition's policies will scupper that initative to make everything worse. But it's difficult to argue that tariffs are bad when Biden is already putting traiffs on China.

One thing a lot of people got stuck on was the price of eggs. Dems should have explained why egg prices were high and what they were going to do about it. The truth is, the Biden administration was not doing enough and the situation was out of control.

It's easier to point out that mass deportations are bad if you front up to the number you are already deporting. Dems failed to counter the lie that they were for wide open borders, which seems perplexing because they had the evidence to prove it was a lie but didn't use it. The reason of course is that they didn't want to upset their base - which is stupid because they would vote Democrat anyway.

Dems also made a big deal about LGBT when only a tiny fraction of voters are in that demographic. They should have calibrated their message to 'everybody gets treated the same without any favoritism' ie. the same message but with a different slant that appeals more to the majority. Dems also got upset about people being labeled 'DEI'. They should have used the same tactic on that one too. For example, air traffic controllers were in short supply in part because many applicants were being turned away for suspicious reasons. Dems could have made a big deal about how they were going to fix that.

Another thing they should have done was show how their climate change mitigation policies were making it better for individuals, not just 'the planet'. Or if they weren't, what new policies they had which would. Most people vote for themselves first. If you want their vote you need to show how you will benefit them personally.

Finally, Dems should have acknowledged than Biden's policies were blowing out the national debt, and they should have had a plan in place to 'fix' it. Their own DOGE, if you will (it might be just as symbolic and ineffective, but a lot less traumatic because it would have actual experts running it). Now you might point out that they actually did have a department which was doing just that, but who knew?

In short, Dems continued to run on 'orange man bad' without showing what they were going to do improve the average citizen's lot. And 'same as we are already doing' wouldn't cut it.

Another thing Harris should have done was not concentrate on rallies. They were a waste of time and money because only the faithful attended. Trump figured that out when he couldn't get the same numbers. The rallies only made it worse because while Dems were patting themselves on the back for being so popular, the rest of the population was watching TV or social media and seeing Trump offer more actual policies that would (purportedly) benefit them. This amplified the feeling that Democrats were 'out of touch'.

Your analysis is at best loosely tethered to reality. At worst, it’s just a bunch of ◊◊◊◊ you made up.

On the economy in particular, you are repeating propaganda that lacks any supporting data.

The Federal Reserve just released a study that refutes your claims.

Tracking consumer sentiment versus how consumers are doing based on verified retail purchases
Our results indicate that:
  1. The more people thought the prices they paid rose faster than their incomes, the worse they said they were doing.
  2. Consumers were more likely to overestimate than to underestimate the inflation they experienced. Those consumers who overestimated their verified inflation said they felt worse about economic conditions.
  3. Most respondents reported higher household incomes in 2024 versus 2019 but still said they did not feel good about the economy due to the effort they exerted to adapt to the economic environment.
  4. After adjusting for inflation, verified spending on everyday retail items remained strong even among those who reported having lower incomes or among those who said they felt worse about the economy in 2024 compared with 2019.

None of it was ever real.

That’s why Trump still enjoys the support of millions of people even as the economy worsens.

The chaos, destruction, and cruelty is and always was the point.
 
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at the same time trump ran on old man bad, concentrated completely on rallies, and never offered any policy positions at all.

why it worked for him and not for them would be a more interesting discussion. but that ventures into criticizing voters and acknowledging the conservative propaganda apparatus which is pretty strictly forbidden
 
at the same time trump ran on old man bad, concentrated completely on rallies, and never offered any policy positions at all.
As I recall, he was pretty clear about his intentions to go after illegal immigration, and pull back from Ukraine. He also talked a lot about tariffs during his campaign.

I guess that's two more things we can add to the list of what Democrats did wrong: Not pay attention to what was going on, and not paying attention to how it played out.

I wonder what would have happened if the Democrats had actually done some polling on how voters were responding to Trump's policy positions during the campaign.
 
As I recall, he was pretty clear about his intentions to go after illegal immigration, and pull back from Ukraine. He also talked a lot about tariffs during his campaign.

I guess that's two more things we can add to the list of what Democrats did wrong: Not pay attention to what was going on, and not paying attention to how it played out.

I wonder what would have happened if the Democrats had actually done some polling on how voters were responding to Trump's policy positions during the campaign.
There's a difference between a policy and a wish. I wish everyone could have affordable healthcare. But, I need a plan to implement it for it to become a policy.
 
saying “going after immigrants” or “tariffs” is policy isn’t worthy of response.
 
you know what, find your best clip or quote of trump discussing policy and we can read it and laugh.
 
you know what, find your best clip or quote of trump discussing policy and we can read it and laugh.
Do it yourself. My point is that Trump was clear about what he intended to do in office, and acted on that intent when he took office. It's a lie to say that Trump didn't talk about his policy intentions during the campaign.

Trump talked about starting a trade war during his campaign. A lot. I bet if the Democrats had polled on this issue, they might have realized they needed to address a concern about trade imbalance in the electorate.

I dunno. Maybe they did such polling. Maybe what they did wrong was run a candidate and a platform that had no answer for this concern.

Maybe they listened to Trump, when he signaled his intent. And instead of taking it seriously and moving to counter, they just "read it and laughed", as you say. And now Trump is president. Laughing over signals you ignored, when it mattered most, isn't doing you any favors.
 
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the reason why you don’t want to post a quote or clip is because his policy positions are incoherent often conflicting stream of consciousness babble. both candidates were curated by a right wing propaga machine that targeted a bunch of idiots. that’s what they needed to counter, not whatever you’re saying.
 
the reason why you don’t want to post a quote or clip is because his policy positions are incoherent often conflicting stream of consciousness babble.
Tell us more about how his expressed intention to start a trade war was incoherent and conflicted. Did you actually pay attention to his campaign? Is this another thing Democrats did wrong? Assuming they knew what he was about, without ever examining it?
both candidates were curated by a right wing propaga machine that targeted a bunch of idiots. that’s what they needed to counter, not whatever you’re saying.
There's a whole ass subforum for conspiracy theories, if that's your pleasure.
 
i don't feel like it's worth my time in attempting to convince you of anything, i've read enough of your posts to know what that entails and it's not something i'm interested in doing. you've been on this forum actively talking about politics for years and years, we've seen all the same threads and even talked in them before. most of what i've seen in the media, you've seen as well right here all presented and discussed. i'm not going to present to you anything you haven't already seen before. obviously, you're free to take that how you want, but if all of that hasn't been enough for you to even form an opinion on the topic and answer a direct question without me going through the motions, that's your option to choose. i don't really care enough to try and pry it out of you.
 
i don't feel like it's worth my time in attempting to convince you of anything, i've read enough of your posts to know what that entails and it's not something i'm interested in doing. you've been on this forum actively talking about politics for years and years, we've seen all the same threads and even talked in them before. most of what i've seen in the media, you've seen as well right here all presented and discussed. i'm not going to present to you anything you haven't already seen before. obviously, you're free to take that how you want, but if all of that hasn't been enough for you to even form an opinion on the topic and answer a direct question without me going through the motions, that's your option to choose. i don't really care enough to try and pry it out of you.
I haven't seen much. Almost all my Trump news comes from this forum. If you can't show me what Trump really talked about during his campaign, then no one can.
 

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