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'What about building 7'?

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Of course truth guy Gage claims there was steel ejected 600' to the West from 1wtc... it was actually panels which toppled and landed as far as 450'... but 7wtc was but 340' north of 1WTC... so much for symmetry... Don't be wantin debris fallin on 7 now.
 
JSanderO said:
Of course truth guy Gage claims there was steel ejected 600' to the West from 1wtc... it was actually panels which toppled and landed as far as 450'... but 7wtc was but 340' north of 1WTC... so much for symmetry... Don't be wantin debris fallin on 7 now.
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"Symmetry" always was such a dumb Truther creed item. What should a symmetrical building looks like as it collapses?
 
Ziggi said:
So question 1 to pgimeno - topic #1:

As we all know by now the NIST says that once the girder had been displaced 6.25 inches the flange would fold. That´s a nice theory, sounds good. But it does of course rely on the notion that something somehow did the deed, that is the displacement.

So my question to you is, how exactly did this happen according to NIST. That is, how is this explained in NIST´s little final report? I am not interested in what you or others think may have happened, I am asking how this event happened acoording to NIST? So just refer to the relevant chapter of the final report, figures and page numbers etc.
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So, Ziggi, what was question 2 ?
 
chrismohr said:
On the one hand, Tony seems to be saying that gypsum dust floating in the air would smother any fires, so no fires came into Building 7 through the huge gashes in the SW part of the building after the Towers' collapses. On the other hand, he believes tons of thermite were used to bring down the Towers. Thermite does not require oxygen to burn. Seems like he's trying to have it both ways. Is there no chance that all of that 4500F unquenchable thermite would find its way into Building 7 after the collapses and start fires there?
Here's an alternative hypothesis: At one acre per floor, and 6-7 floors per Tower on fire, that's something like 6 acres per tower where fires or hot embers could be found. The fires were near the top, so when part of the Tower collapsed onto Building 7, it was likely to be the part of the building that was on fire; the fiery part would have tipped over the furthest. The gashes in the SW corner of Building 7 were caused by parts of the Tower crashing into it, leaving holes and allowing burning materials into Building 7. The fires in all three buildings were unfought, so they were allowed to spread rapidly. Eventually the buildings collapsed without the help of thermitic arsonists.
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Chris, photos of the gash on the SW corner of WTC 7 is mostly viewed from the west and it is low in the building. I would say there is a possibility that thermite from the North Tower could explain the fires on floors 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, and 13. However, there were also fires on floors 19, 22, 29, and 30 that the gash on the SW corner can't explain.

Additionally, there were not 6 to 7 fully engulfed one acre floors in the North Tower when it collapsed and much of what there was happened to be on the opposite side of the building from WTC 7 when it collapsed. Proof of that is the famous photo of Edna Citron standing in the big hole in the north face before the collapse.

The natural fires in the North Tower would have been doused by gypsum, photos of major debris show it fairly close to the building, and WTC 7 was 350 feet away from the North Tower (that is a long way to go for anything major). There is little chance debris from the natural fires in it caused the fires in WTC 7. It is a serious stretch with no basis to say otherwise.

Thermite from the Towers is very likely to have been the cause for the vehicle fires. Do you have a different answer for that issue?
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
Chris, photos of the gash on the SW corner of WTC 7 is mostly viewed from the west and it is low in the building. I would say there is a possibility that thermite from the North Tower could explain the fires on floors 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, and 13. However, there were also fires on floors 19, 22, 29, and 30 that the gash on the SW corner can't explain.
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You can look at the photos that NIST published along with floor numbers and see just how far up that missing corner extends Tony. Low in comparison to the full height of the building.

There was also a large chunk taken out of the south roof edge of WTC 7 much further east, as well as a large number of windows shattered over much of the western 2/3rds, lower quarter in height, of the south face. So trying to say that windows at the very least were not broken on higher floors is a bit disingenuous of you.

Again I have to ask why the intense amount of dust did not quench the fires that raged in WTC 5? Was that arson as well Tony?
How about all that 'settling' thermite that lit up vehicles in the streets, why do you have to imagine arsonist spooks in WTC 7 and not floating thermite igniting WTC 7? Why is this in itself not indicative of your great imagination as opposed to evidence driven logical reasoning?

he natural fires in the North Tower would have been doused by gypsum
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You presuppose that something that is not actually combusting cannot ignite a fire if its hot enough to be above the ignition temp of the material it comes into contact with. Simple test if you have an older car. The cigarette lighter would use a 12 volt supply to heat an element up. That element was not on fire but was quite capable of lighting a cigarette.
 
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jaydeehess said:
You can look at the photos that NIST published along with floor numbers and see just how far up that missing corner extends Tony. Low in comparison to the full height of the building.

There was also a large chunk taken out of the south roof edge of WTC 7 much further east, as well as a large number of windows shattered over much of the western 2/3rds, lower quarter in height, of the south face. So trying to say that windows at the very least were not broken on higher floors is a bit disingenuous of you.

Again I have to ask why the intense amount of dust did not quench the fires that raged in WTC 5? Was that arson as well Tony?
How about all that 'settling' thermite that lit up vehicles in the streets, why do you have to imagine arsonist spooks in WTC 7 and not floating thermite igniting WTC 7? Why is this in itself not indicative of your great imagination as opposed to evidence driven logical reasoning?
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If you read my post you would realize I agree that thermite from the North Tower may have caused fires on the lower floors of WTC 7 and maybe even got in the windows up top as you theorize. My point is that it couldn't have been from natural fires on maybe half of 6 to 7 floors 350 feet away.

The dust from the towers would not have been anywhere near as dense on WTC 5 as it would have been in the Towers themselves.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
If you read my post you would realize I agree that thermite from the North Tower may have caused fires on the lower floors of WTC 7 and maybe even got in the windows up top as you theorize. My point is that it couldn't have been from natural fires on maybe half of 6 to 7 floors 350 feet away.

The dust from the towers would not have been anywhere near as dense on WTC 5 as it would have been in the Towers themselves.
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Why could not a hot chunk o'anything make it to WTC 7? We know quite definitively that debris from WTC 2, further away, managed to make it that far and break windows. You are supposing , with nothing other than your own personal incredulity, that nothing hot enough to ignite even paper, and there's a lot of paper still in offices, could reach WTC 7.

Extinguishing the flaming material in the north towers would not cool all that material to below ignition temp of many materials. Dust would cut off oxygen, dust clears and that material will reignite again if it does not cool below ignition temp.

Very odd argument anyway. Yes, the fires over several floors in WTC 1 would be 'out' even in the manner that those 'floors' did not exist anymore.
However, it wasn't me that said that it was likely arsonists that lit the fires in WTC 7. That was you, correction, that was your fevered imagination.

So the dust in WTC 7 would not put fires out and WTC 5 which was not a lot closer, and not in line with a face of the north tower can catch fire and you are okie dokie with that but ,,,, oh noooo, WTC 7 cannot have caught fire from the effects of WTC 1 collapse.
 
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Mr. Szamboti, pray tell us again just how much thermite, in total, your estimate, was in each tower/
There's the amount of un-burned thermite supposed in the dust, there's the amount of thermite responsible for the underground fires raging for weeks, and there's the niggling amount(relatively speaking)tat actually did anything to collapse the towers.
 
jaydeehess said:
Why could not a hot chunk o'anything make it to WTC 7? We know quite definitively that debris from WTC 2, further away, managed to make it that far and break windows. You are supposing , with nothing other than your own personal incredulity, that nothing hot enough to ignite even paper, and there's a lot of paper still in offices, could reach WTC 7.

Extinguishing the flaming material in the north towers would not cool all that material to below ignition temp of many materials. Dust would cut off oxygen, dust clears and that material will reignite again if it does not cool below ignition temp.

Very odd argument anyway. Yes, the fires over several floors in WTC 1 would be 'out' even in the manner that those 'floors' did not exist anymore.
However, it wasn't me that said that it was likely arsonists that lit the fires in WTC 7. That was you, correction, that was your fevered imagination.

So the dust in WTC 7 would not put fires out and WTC 5 which was not a lot closer, and not in line with a face of the north tower can catch fire and you are okie dokie with that but ,,,, oh noooo, WTC 7 cannot have caught fire from the effects of WTC 1 collapse.
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With the small number of floors on fire in the North Tower, the distance between it and WTC 7 being 350 feet, and the only openings in WTC 7 being some gashes and windows, the odds are very low. There just wouldn't be a lot of hot chucks capable of flying 350 feet and sneaking into a gash and windows.
 
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jaydeehess said:
Mr. Szamboti, pray tell us again just how much thermite, in total, your estimate, was in each tower/
There's the amount of un-burned thermite supposed in the dust, there's the amount of thermite responsible for the underground fires raging for weeks, and there's the niggling amount(relatively speaking)tat actually did anything to collapse the towers.
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What do you think caused the vehicle fires?
 
It is clear that the only choices for the cause of the fires in WTC 7 are thermite from the North Tower or arson. Take your pick because one of these two is reality.

There is no chance natural embers (which were being doused with gypsum dust) or hot steel from the small number of fire floors in the North Tower flew all the way over to WTC 7 and got in the small number of openings and started fires on ten floors. Thermite in the dust from the North Tower could have done it.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
It is clear that the only choices for the cause of the fires in WTC 7 are thermite from the North Tower or arson. Take your pick because one of these two is reality. ...
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Both are fantasy. Where is your evidence for thermite, the paper by Jones failed to prove thermite except for those few who can't do chemistry.

Wow. Can you show us thermite dropping out of sky on 911? How much thermite is in your fantasy? Where is Jones?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
It is clear that the only choices for the cause of the fires in WTC 7 are thermite from the North Tower or arson. Take your pick because one of these two is reality.

There is no chance natural embers (which were being doused with gypsum dust) or hot steel from the small number of fire floors in the North Tower flew all the way over to WTC 7 and got in the small number of openings and started fires on ten floors. Thermite in the dust from the North Tower could have done it.
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Best and brightest....
 
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