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WA Senate passes bump stock ban

Mikemcc said:
Not necessarily. The British GPMG (based on the FN-MAG) has a well known splash pattern when fired in indirect role from the tripod, and is used when planning indirect fire tasks.

In direct role, yeah, I totally agree. Rock-and-roll on auto is only useful for suppressive fire.
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We call it the beaten zone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_fire_(weaponry)

Beaten zone is a concept in indirect infantry small arms fire, specifically machine guns. It describes the area between the "first catch" and the "last graze" of a bullet's trajectory. At the first of these points, a bullet will hit a standing man in the head, at the last of these points, as the bullet drops, it will hit a standing man in the feet. Anyone standing within the beaten zone will be hit somewhere from head to foot.

The concept works best as part of a static defence with the area covered by a position plotted out beforehand. Usually the machine guns will be mounted on a tripod and indirect fire sights (such as a dial sight) fitted in addition to, or instead of, direct fire ones. Fire can then be called in by spotters to engage specific points in the guns' field of fire, even if out of sight of the machine gunners.
 
ginjawarrior said:
full auto machine guns degrade accuracy compared to semi auto fire

the machine pistol bstrong posted earlier would be even more inaccurate

comparing the accuracy to semi auto is pretty irrelevant


in this video he says accuracy isnt too bad

but again targeting large groups of people accuracy comes second to faster rate of fire
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The AK and AR In the video are semi-auto short-barreled rifles subject to NFA registration.

A properly assembled SBR can provide MOA accuracy to 100 yds/m in trained hands from a rest or supported fire position.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Like for, say, a mass of people at a concert......
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How far away are you? How many people are there? How densely are they packed? How stable is your firing platform? Etc.

People like slide fire for the same reason people hate it: Because they like the *idea* of "full auto" more than they like actually considering the practical applications and limitations of "full auto".
 
theprestige said:
How far away are you? How many people are there? How densely are they packed? How stable is your firing platform? Etc.

People like slide fire for the same reason people hate it: Because they like the *idea* of "full auto" more than they like actually considering the practical applications and limitations of "full auto".
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People like slide fire because they fantasize about killing lots of people.
 
Lunatic criminals who mass or spree murder don't use bump fire stocks because they are skeptical that it will increase the number of dead or injured. They are critical thinkers using rationality and reason.
 
William Parcher said:
Lunatic criminals who mass or spree murder don't use bump fire stocks because they are skeptical that it will increase the number of dead or injured. They are critical thinkers using rationality and reason.
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You seem to be caught up in your own self contradictory strawman. Do you not have a media cite that you believe sheds some light on the discussion?
 
theprestige said:
You seem to be caught up in your own self contradictory strawman. Do you not have a media cite that you believe sheds some light on the discussion?
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I had a bunch of quotes from mass murderers explaining why they didn't use bump stocks but I lost the link.
 
ginjawarrior said:
comparing the accuracy to semi auto is pretty irrelevant
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If I want to hit the target (I don't shoot at an n8 acre crowd) I use semi-auto.


in this video he says accuracy isnt too bad
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I say his accuracy sucked.

Even the Brady Campaign claimed the semi-auto AR-15 was more dangerous than the full auto M-16. But I think they're full of crap too.
 
Speaking of straw men, is this thing going to chooch or R we just shootin' blanks with R dicks in R hands? Coz' I have my doubts. Tempest in Teapot an' all that.

Don't worry, Washin'tonians I have faith in youse!
 
Not sure what chooch means in this case.....

No update so far this evening in the WA House Judiciary Committee.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5992&Year=2017
IN THE HOUSE
Jan 29
First reading, referred to Judiciary (Not Officially read and referred until adoption of Introduction report).
Feb 9
Public hearing in the House Committee on Judiciary at 8:00 AM. (Committee Materials)
Feb 14
Executive session scheduled, but no action was taken in the House Committee on Judiciary at 8:00 AM. (Committee Materials)
Feb 15
Executive action taken in the House Committee on Judiciary at 1:30 PM. (Committee Materials)
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The bump stock ban bill passed out of the Judiciary with a pass recommendation 10-3. It was less partisan than I thought it would be. There will be no grandfathering for those who own them now.
 
Ranb said:
If I want to hit the target (I don't shoot at an n8 acre crowd) I use semi-auto.
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good for you

if your target is an 8 acre crowd tho....
I say his accuracy sucked.
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in time spent firing and bullets on target
accuracy means little..
Even the Brady Campaign claimed the semi-auto AR-15 was more dangerous than the full auto M-16. But I think they're full of crap too.
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yet full auto is heavily regulated and rightly so

i wont shed a single tear for the newly passed ban
 
It's not law yet. It still has to make it past the Rules Committee. There aren't enough blue dog democrats to kill it so I expect it will get placed on a third reading where it will probably pass with at least 60% of the House favoring it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
People like slide fire because they fantasize about killing lots of people.
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Not really. I expect that most of the people that use them like them because having the gun go boom boom really fast causes a large spike in their adrenaline and endorphin levels as they waste $16+ in small metal projectiles.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Not really. I expect that most of the people that use them like them because having the gun go boom boom really fast causes a large spike in their adrenaline and endorphin levels as they waste $16+ in small metal projectiles.
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While fantasizing about the targets being people. It's a fetish.
 
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