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VP Debate Thread

Oliver said:
While it was the biggest [obviously unintended] "appeal to emotion" moment, it wasn't a strong factual argument at all.
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It's one of the bylines under the headline on CNN. This will get some play. Again, I have no problems with it, but watch the the usual suspects....
 
Whiplash said:
I noticed Biden repeatedly saying "John" for McCain, as Obama did.. is this a strategy of some kind? To lower his importance? To personalize things? I don't think Biden said "McCain" once. Just "John". Any clues?
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I think that Biden can get away with that "John" stuff a lot more because of their age.

I don't think they are trying to lower his importance I think it was their try to do "folk'y" stuff that Palin is really playing up.

I thought she held her own for the most part. I suspect this will have little to no impact on the direction things have been moving on the polls; either staying about the same gap, or continuing to open steadly for Obama. She could blow it for McCain, but I don't think she could have ever moved him up really. It was her's to lose.
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I completely agree.
 
DavidJames said:
My opinion on the debate is there is only one VP candidate I want a heart beat away from the being the president and gosh darn, by golly, dog gone it, it aint Palin.

That folksy crap got so thick I was about to puke.
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I was telling Ms. Tricky, it sounded like "Fargo II--Return of the Woodchipper". It sounded scripted.
 
DavidJames said:
Maybe I missed it or maybe I misinterpreted what I saw, but I'm surprised no one has called out Biden when he choked up over almost losing one of his family.
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Call him out? People love that stuff. It's political gold.

Does anyone remember what did in Dukakis? It was for *not* reacting emotionally.
 
I asked earlier but it was probably burried.....

Anyone know how the "non answers" that Palin answered with are playing with the media so far?

I am hearing a lot of complaining about that but I am Tivo'ed so I can't switch around to other channels.
 
Tricky said:
Her solution to health care is a $5000 tax credit? The people who need health care most desperately don't pay $5000 in tax. That was one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
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Obviously, Sir, You are Not a Republican!











Not a true republican, anyway.:D
 
Cain said:
Corplinx:
"I leaned towards Obama/Biden however on social issues until tonight. I apparently was under the incorrect assumption that the Obama-Biden ticket supported ending the discrimination against gays who want to marry. I consider it the last big legal discrimination."

Yes, such an important issue to you that you had no idea what position Obama-Biden had taken on the issue. You're so full of crap.
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I'm not going to call him full of crap, but the campaign has been pretty clear about their position on gay marriage. That's why it was something of a positive to hear Biden be very explicit about supporting gay rights otherwise. A positive for Palin as well (even though she wasn't as clearly in favor), but he got to it first and best.

Both parties appear to consider gay marriage politically infeasible at this point - echoes of 2004 probably ringing in their heads.
 
DavidJames said:
My opinion on the debate is there is only one VP candidate I want a heart beat away from the being the president and gosh darn, by golly, dog gone it, it aint Palin.

That folksy crap got so thick I was about to puke.
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On this we are in complete agreement.
 
not_so_new said:
I asked earlier but it was probably burried.....

Anyone know how the "non answers" that Palin answered with are playing with the media so far?
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Not directly related but I saw this on the CNN debate page
I give Palin an A+. for wildly exceeding expectations. She more than held her own. She was polished, direct, folksy, and on message. She stressed her personal experience both as a mom and as a governor, from the kitchen table to the executive branch, her record as a reformer and bipartisan deal maker. She even got Biden to agree with her.

Biden gets an A. He was tough, but respectful, disciplined and clear. He hammered away at McCain's maverick status. Biden was clearly in his element.

This debate was a credit to both candidates. I think voters can be proud of what they just watched.
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CNN, damn liberal media :D

A+ amazing.
 
not_so_new said:
LOL

Liberal Media bias for sure.

And they said she was "on point" ... exactly WHEN was that?
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Gergen weighed in A+ for Biden, A- for Palin. However, reading his text, she seems to get her grade due to exceeding expectations while Biden got his for actually doing well.

While she made a few small mistakes and often avoided direct answers, she deserves credit for performing as well as she did in a moment of huge pressure.

Her problem was that the Joe Biden who showed up delivered the best debate performance of his life. He was extremely well informed, especially on foreign policy, and he argued his case with force and occasional eloquence.
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Gergen clearly grades on a curve
 
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Whiplash said:
I noticed Biden repeatedly saying "John" for McCain, as Obama did.. is this a strategy of some kind? To lower his importance? To personalize things? I don't think Biden said "McCain" once. Just "John". Any clues?

I thought she held her own for the most part. I suspect this will have little to no impact on the direction things have been moving on the polls; either staying about the same gap, or continuing to open steadly for Obama. She could blow it for McCain, but I don't think she could have ever moved him up really. It was her's to lose.
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Some people (especially Americans in my experience; the Japanese almost never use personal names) are more comfortable with first names. BTW, Palin upon meeting Biden, asked him if she could call him Joe.
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Ms. Palin, who displayed more confidence and fluency than she did in recent television interviews, largely refrained from the cutting comments she has made in some of her speeches. From the beginning, the debate, in St. Louis, was marked by an air of cordiality, when Ms. Palin, who was meeting Mr. Biden for the first time, asked, “Hey, can I call you Joe?” and Mr. Biden amiably replied that she could.

That folksy manner accompanied the populist tone that Ms. Palin deployed throughout the debate, even as she discussed such complex issues as the subprime mortgage crisis.

“Darn right it was the predator lenders,” Ms. Palin said in response to a question from the debate’s moderator, Gwen Ifill of PBS, about whether such lenders were to blame for the economic crisis. They were lenders, Ms. Palin said, “who tried to talk Americans into thinking that it was smart to buy a $300,000 house if we could only afford a $100,000 house.”
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