VP Debate Thread

[noch1Narr]

Not that it will change the overall impression of anyone who saw/listened to the VP debate, but did y'all catch Palin's Freudian slip that Mc Cain...."will leave...lead the country..." And that this puppet
mispronounced the name of the US Commander in Afghanistan General McKiernan as General McClellan (US Civil War)....? Besides ignorance, did it not highlight her inability to 'adlib' when she momentarily strayed from her memorised slogans/mantras?
I expect the usual 'Repugapologists' to pounce on this as nitpicking.
Maybe it will blunt their enthusiasm that I'm not a 'Democrapologist'; I now realize that both sides to have strayed from the truth into accusations not based on truth. Wish it weren't so!

 

[eeyore1954]

Sez me you say

And anyone who thinks a family can get health care insurance for $1000 per month is also likely to believe in bigfoot. Both have the same likelihood of being true.

I have also been self employed for several years and was paying about 1000 per month . I had to drop it because it got too expensive. Here is a recent quote. I realize different states may have different rates but NY seems to always be highest on everything else so I would suspect health ins is costly here also. Two of their plans are under 1000 a month.
http://uaebenefits.com/PDFs/UAE HIP SP B plans 4.1_3.31.pdf

I don't believe in bigfoot although one night I was camping near an old logging road in the wilderness near Mcarthur/Burney Park in northern california and heard something that I can only catagorize as animal sounds I had never heard anything remotely similar too. At that moment I was wondering if there may be some sort of animal life out there unknown to mankind.

 

[eeyore1954]

You're right that would be less stupid, although calling it a "credit" is pretty misleading. I suppose "credit" sounds better to Republicans than "give away" even if it amounts to the same thing. Still, $5000 isn't going to make much of a dent on a family's health care bills if they have any sort of serious illness or accident.

I thought the 5000 was suppose to go toward the cost of insurance rather than covering medical expenses

 

[Wangler]

Oh dear. It appears as if Wangler made an unwarranted assumption. I am self-employed and so have to provide my own medical insurance. I am all too familiar with the costs, the lack of comprehensive coverage, and the few choices one really has. Sure it's anecdotal but it does refute your assumption that I haven't done my fact checking.

Sorry about that, but your absolute comment lead me in that direction.

Still, my assumption was wrong.

In my state, I have indeed looked for private health insurance, and family coverage could indeed be had for less than $1000.

 

[Snide]

You just admitted your analogy was invalid.

Yes, facetiously. Way to miss the boat yet again.

Nothing new there. I don't think its the speed of your posts that are problematic, rather their characteristic benightedness.

Cicero misunderstands then deflects and/or attempts to distract. Nothing new here. Still, funny as ever.

BTW - I won't fix the "it's" for you....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was just an oversight.

 

[Wangler]

Not that it will change the overall impression of anyone who saw/listened to the VP debate, but did y'all catch Palin's Freudian slip that Mc Cain...."will leave...lead the country..." And that this puppet mispronounced the name of the US Commander in Afghanistan General McKiernan as General McClellan (US Civil War)....?

I did not catch the McClellan mistake, but the "will leave, er, lead the country" one was probably the best gaffe to come out of the debate.

I was laughing pretty hard when I heard that one...........

 

[Tricky]

I did not catch the McClellan mistake, but the "will leave, er, lead the country" one was probably the best gaffe to come out of the debate.

I was laughing pretty hard when I heard that one...........

Yeah, me too, and I was thinking, "Damn, another broken campaign promise."

 

[Moochie]

No, I love it. I love the way America is the best at everything in the world, and teaches all us people who aren't American the best way we can live our lives.

My "working hypothesis" of the U.S. is that it's the nation from which comes the best and the worst of everything. Not surprising given that it's a nation of immigrants.


M.

 

[Moochie]

I thought she did well, even managed to get Biden on the defensive a couple of times (though he parried it well). I think Biden did better, but Palin did make sure all her time was spent getting her message out. The shot at the news media was probably a slip though.

Walt

ETA: And the gathering of relatives at the end rivalled the finale of the family feud shows.

I feel vaguely ill seeing how she holds that baby like she's a four-year-old with a doll. A prop?


M.

 

[Moochie]

I have got a feeling that a lot of people agree with me that we would like to have her as a neighbor but not anywhere near the Presidency.

The Washington Hillbillies, with SP as "Ellie Mae."


M.

 

[gnome]

I feel a song coming on...

But I suck at writing parody songs. Sorry.

 

[Meadmaker]

I thought the 5000 was suppose to go toward the cost of insurance rather than covering medical expenses

That's correct, although 5000 still wouldn't cover the cost of medical insurance. At least not under current conditions in the US.

I actually like this aspect of McCain's plan, but it is doomed to lose him votes. As long as people think they are getting their health care for free from their employers, they will vote against anything that changes the situation.

 

[Puppycow]

Richard Cohen on the media's reaction to Palin's debate performance:

Reading William Kristol's column in yesterday's New York Times, I discover that Sarah Palin and I have something in common. Kristol, who was once Dan Quayle's chief of staff and therefore, shall we say, has a Mister Rogers approach to certain politicians, got Palin on the phone and reported that "she doesn't have a very high opinion of the mainstream media." This is where we are in agreement. On account of Palin, neither do I.

In her debate against Joe Biden last week, she mischaracterized Barack Obama's tax plan and his offer to meet with foreign adversaries of the United States. She found whole new powers for the vice president by misreading the Constitution, if she ever read it at all. She called one moment for the federal government to virtually disappear and a moment later lamented the lack of its oversight of the financial markets. She asserted that she "may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you [Biden] want to hear" because, apparently, the rules don't apply to her on account of her being a hockey mom. Fer sure.

Not enough? Okay. Palin also said that she "and others in the legislature" had called for the state of Alaska to divest itself of investments in companies that do business with Sudan. But, as the indefatigable truth-hunter at The Post found out, the divestiture effort was not led by Palin. In fact, her administration opposed the initiative, and Palin herself only came around to it after the bill had died.

In spite of it all, much of the media saw a credible performance. I could quote the hosannas of some of my colleagues, but I spare them the infamy that will surely follow them to their graves. (The debate's moderator, Gwen Ifill, used the occasion to catch up on some sleep.) Many of my colleagues judged Palin simply as a performer and inferred that her performance would go over well in homes with aboveground swimming pools.

. . .

Much of the mainstream media, grading on a curve suitable for a parrot -- "greed and corruption, greed and corruption, greed and corruption" -- gave her a passing grade or better. I agree with Palin. It's the mainstream media that flunked.

Note that Palin has made a claim here about her own record similar to her claim about the bridge to nowhere, taking credit for something that she initially opposed.