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Vertical Sharp Round Hole in WTC7

TruthSeeker1234 said:
I am open to other explanations for the cylindrical 9/11 holes
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No, you're not. This subforum is saturated with examples of your consideration of nothing but space beam weapons to explain the damage at Ground Zero.
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Falling rubble? How could falling rubble cut so cleanly?
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I'd like to ask you to do something, in all seriousness. Since this question has been answered for you in hundreds of ways, let's try something different:

Use your imagination and try to devise a way in which falling rubble could "cut cleanly". It may not be plausible to you, but be creative and come up with a way, no matter how ludicrous, that it could be done.

We often exercise our ability to understand where conspiracy theorists are coming from by coming up with the explanations we think they would come up with. We often come very close to hitting the mark. It can be a very useful exercise. Try it out--play "skeptic" and see what you come up with.
 
Seems to me the perfect debris to cut such a slice would be a long piece of steel. Any long pieces of steel in the WTCs?

lol

TAM:)
 
Horatius said:
Chipmunk Stew, Meet TruthSeeker1234. TruthSeeker1234, meet Chipmunk Stew. I'll just let you two fight it out, okay?
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Aw. Here I was, expecting some Troof cred for pushing the Movement forward. Instead, it turns out I'm behind the curve. :(
 
OMG, at DU, greyl just published an eye-popping composite image of this "new" picture of the gash along with the "Bay Area Muslims" picture of damage from the top down. I imagine he'll be along shortly to share, but wow.

It becomes clearer and clearer that the damage from WTC 1 perimeter columns essentially gutted WTC 7.
 
So this video/photo, to us in the sane business, proves the debris damage was enormous, and adds evidence to the effect of debris to damage of WTC7 and its ultimate collapse.

To the truthers, particularly ACE and the no-planers, it proves that a High Energy Beam weapon was used...because only such a weapon could cause such a clean cut.

So what is the solution to this differing of opinions?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Seems to me the perfect debris to cut such a slice would be a long piece of steel. Any long pieces of steel in the WTCs?

lol

TAM:)
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Oh yea, the debris couldn't cause damage to other buildings:



 
chipmunk stew said:
No, you're not. This subforum is saturated with examples of your consideration of nothing but space beam weapons to explain the damage at Ground Zero.

I'd like to ask you to do something, in all seriousness. Since this question has been answered for you in hundreds of ways, let's try something different:

Use your imagination and try to devise a way in which falling rubble could "cut cleanly". It may not be plausible to you, but be creative and come up with a way, no matter how ludicrous, that it could be done.

We often exercise our ability to understand where conspiracy theorists are coming from by coming up with the explanations we think they would come up with. We often come very close to hitting the mark. It can be a very useful exercise. Try it out--play "skeptic" and see what you come up with.
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OK. Sharp, cylindrical holes could be carved by falling debris if the debris was spherical, extremely dense, and travelling very fast. We would expect to see one sphere at the bottom of each cylindrical hole.
 
chipmunk stew said:
It was probably cleverly reflected off of a satellite mirror, so as to follow a perfect plumb line down to Ground Zero.

I just gave you an out, TS. Take it to Judy right away. She's waiting on the balcony. Go serenade her with this new idea. You can thank me later.
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Unlikely, as the beam would "bloom" too much as it passed through the atmosphere on the way up. That would require some gawdawful big optics in space to try to refocus the beam, then you'd just bloom the beam again as it reentered the atmosphere.

I think a beam weapon in an aircraft using cloaking technology is more feasible.
 
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I think a larger version of one of the Tripod aliens from "War of the Worlds" could have created such a hole.

TAM:)
 
Pardon my ignorance Ace, but how did you determine that the hole is cylindrical, as opposed to angular, or even irregular?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
OK. Sharp, cylindrical holes could be carved by falling debris if the debris was spherical, extremely dense, and travelling very fast. We would expect to see one sphere at the bottom of each cylindrical hole.
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Hmm. I don't think you understand the spirit of the exercise.

I'll try to re-word it more carefully:

Use your imagination to devise a way, no matter how ludicrous it seems to you, that the debris from WTC1's collapse could "cut cleanly" and leave behind exactly what we observe, no more, no less, in the images from 9/11.

"It's impossible" is not an acceptable answer in this exercise.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Unlikely, as the beam would "bloom" to much as it passed through the atmosphere on the way up. That would require some gawdawful big optics in space to try to refocus the beam, then you'd just bloom the beam again as it reentered the atmosphere.

I think a beam weapon in an aircraft using cloaking technology is more feasible.
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But then you have the weight problem again.

Maybe the aircraft were used to reflect the beam? The reflectors could be cleverly designed to double as cloaking devices. That's probably what the white "orbs" are that you see in some of the footage. It's evidence of an imperfect cloak.
 
boloboffin said:
OMG, at DU, greyl just published an eye-popping composite image of this "new" picture of the gash along with the "Bay Area Muslims" picture of damage from the top down. I imagine he'll be along shortly to share, but wow.

It becomes clearer and clearer that the damage from WTC 1 perimeter columns essentially gutted WTC 7.
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You rang? ;)


wtc7damagecomposite.jpg
 
Thanks, Greyleonard, that looks much clearer than the previous video images did.

It still looks to me like an awfully straight line going down the building near the center, whereas the other damage (like Arus posted) seemed a little bit more ragged, and that's mostly why I'm not sure what to think of it. The composite image seems to conform more to what I would expect debris damage to look like, but, that doesn't mean much, because I'm not an expert at what debris damage should look like.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
OK. Sharp, cylindrical holes could be carved by falling debris if the debris was spherical, extremely dense, and travelling very fast. We would expect to see one sphere at the bottom of each cylindrical hole.
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Truthseeker1234, I am not a JREF skeptic. In fact I am on your side of the fence in terms of wanting a new investigation into 911. However, I am going to be less polite and more forthright than the Jrefers.

◊◊◊◊ Off Truthtwister1234. You are an idiot who is playing a game that I dont even think you know the purpose of.


Keep in mind your membership agreement requires you to be civil to other members. Don't personalize the debate by including personal insults.
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chipmunk stew said:
But then you have the weight problem again.

Maybe the aircraft were used to reflect the beam? The reflectors could be cleverly designed to double as cloaking devices. That's probably what the white "orbs" are that you see in some of the footage. It's evidence of an imperfect cloak.
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I think we're on to something now. A ground based laser located in WTC 7 focused the beam off of a cloaked aircraft.

First, they destroyed the Twin Towers. Then, when the aircraft was directly overhead, they fired the beam at themselves in WTC 7, destroying all the evidence that the laser ever existed.

The diesel fuel was in WTC 7 in order to fuel the generators that powered the laser, and was later used to create the fires, thus making WTC 7 appear to collapse from fire (and structural damage from the collapsing tower).

Any flaws in that theory, chipmunk?
 
tonicblue said:
Truthseeker1234, I am not a JREF skeptic. In fact I am on your side of the fence in terms of wanting a new investigation into 911. However, I am going to be less polite and more forthright than the Jrefers.

◊◊◊◊ Off Truthtwister1234. You are an idiot who is playing a game that I dont even think you know the purpose of.
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Minadin said:
Thanks, Greyleonard, that looks much clearer than the previous video images did.

It still looks to me like an awfully straight line going down the building near the center, whereas the other damage (like Arus posted) seemed a little bit more ragged, and that's mostly why I'm not sure what to think of it. The composite image seems to conform more to what I would expect debris damage to look like, but, that doesn't mean much, because I'm not an expert at what debris damage should look like.
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I'm sure it is debris damage. It fits between 2 columns.
 
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