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Vertical Sharp Round Hole in WTC7

Remember, when the truth is known, most of the other side will allow you all to save face.
You'll allow me to save face? I won't have to commit seppuku? I had my sword all sharpened and everything, too!

How gracious of you!

So, want to fill me in on this truth? Now that you'll let me live.
 
We absolutely don't know how steel was dissociated into dust.

It wasn't

That doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Yes it doesn't. because steel didn't turn to dust.

We observe that it happened. We see the steel spire turn to dust.

no you saw tons of gypsum and drywall turn to "dust" or smaller particles. ncluding some pieces of concrete. no steel was turned to dust.

We see almost the whole tower turn to dust.

no towers were turned to dust.

If you consider these steel portions "dust" then the crap i take off of my tv and shelves at home must be microscopic:




tons more found here:
http://www.spazmataz.net/members/photos/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Spazs-9-11-Albums


When the events are over, there is way too little steel to account for the towers. Way too little.
you consider 12 stories of steel and debris spread along a city block larger than disneyland "too little"?
 
So what truth are you talking about? The beam weapon? The fact the truth movement is made up of lies?

What truth?

I knew that comment would get reaction. I'll be brief then leave, you people offer me nothing but laughs at your ignorance.

1. You (collectively speaking) and I can be either right or wrong.
(thats to the extent that SOMETHING, other than the official story, happened on 9-11) Ray guns, reptiles, hand granades, holograms, who cares. My beliefs are not as wild as you would like them to be to fit your looney bin for all who don't fall in line with the Official "truth" perspective.

So, again, you and I are either right or wrong.

I believe you are wrong. Unfortunately, I do not believe that the "total" truth of that day will be known. But, enough should surface to embarress you.

If you are asking me to believe the towers were NOT blown up from SOMETHING other than planes, fire and gravity then you are all insane or ignorant or stupid or foolish or whatever word you want to plug in for aggressively dumb and easily fooled.


Now, you are going to ask me for my opinion and I will give it, just not right now. I'm working on it. But you folks are not the kind of people who would allow me a vague view of things. You like to rip people apart and change the subject from what they believe to things that are not relavent. I'm in no mood for your childish BS. I'm no dummy and will offer mature coversations with others I see fit. Not with a bunch of bullies that make no sense and just overwhelm anyone with a different view.

I will say it again, so ALL of you know. I will allow anyone on this board the right to change their mind, then change it again, and then again and then again as they see fit. And when the time comes for most of you to see what is really going on. I will reach out my hand in an offering of friendship and the opportunity for YOU ALL to save face.


I thought like you did until I let myself think for myself. You will come around, why, because I AM RIGHT. Good day to those who deserve it.
 
NISt was only tasked to find out what caused teh collapse. once collapse has happened, nothing is going to stop it.
so studying the behavior of "during collapse" and "after collapse" was irrelavant.

that wsn't their job. toasted car - burned by the fires from the burning debris that fell on it.



what vertical round holes?



disappearance? um it was destroyed due to the collapse of WTC 1 and 2



didn't need to. and irrelavant to the collapse of wtc 1 and 2.

that wsn't a mushroom cloud.

irrelevant. spire was only standing for a few moments after the collapse. which actually proves that no CD was involved.

DUH.

The question was: What crucial evidence was ignnored by the investigators?

NIST wasn't charged with investigating the destruction, the cars, the holes, the disappearances, etc. Thus, NIST wasn't charged with studying the crucial evidence. Therefore they ignored it.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, Arus. NIST was not charged with investigating this stuff. Let's all think about this for just a half minute. Arus and I will repeat: NIST was not charged with investigating this stuff.

Therefore, whomever "charged" NIST, had already assumed the conclusion, i.e. that the twin towers "collapsed". This would not be a safe assumption in any real scientific investigation.
 
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DUH.

The question was: What crucial evidence was ignnored by the investigators?

How about none?

NIST wasn't charged with investigating the destruction, the cars, the holes, the disappearances, etc. Thus, NIST wasn't charged with studying the crucial evidence. Therefore they ignored it.

what you listed wasn't crucial evidence
 
I knew that comment would get reaction. I'll be brief then leave, you people offer me nothing but laughs at your ignorance.

1. You (collectively speaking) and I can be either right or wrong.
(thats to the extent that SOMETHING, other than the official story, happened on 9-11) Ray guns, reptiles, hand granades, holograms, who cares. My beliefs are not as wild as you would like them to be to fit your looney bin for all who don't fall in line with the Official "truth" perspective.

So, again, you and I are either right or wrong.

I believe you are wrong. Unfortunately, I do not believe that the "total" truth of that day will be known. But, enough should surface to embarress you.

If you are asking me to believe the towers were NOT blown up from SOMETHING other than planes, fire and gravity then you are all insane or ignorant or stupid or foolish or whatever word you want to plug in for aggressively dumb and easily fooled.


Now, you are going to ask me for my opinion and I will give it, just not right now. I'm working on it. But you folks are not the kind of people who would allow me a vague view of things. You like to rip people apart and change the subject from what they believe to things that are not relavent. I'm in no mood for your childish BS. I'm no dummy and will offer mature coversations with others I see fit. Not with a bunch of bullies that make no sense and just overwhelm anyone with a different view.

I will say it again, so ALL of you know. I will allow anyone on this board the right to change their mind, then change it again, and then again and then again as they see fit. And when the time comes for most of you to see what is really going on. I will reach out my hand in an offering of friendship and the opportunity for YOU ALL to save face.


I thought like you did until I let myself think for myself. You will come around, why, because I AM RIGHT. Good day to those who deserve it.

Just a summary please, what happened, in your opinion on 911?
 
How about none?



what you listed wasn't crucial evidence


Your point is well taken, can you point me to the one's who WERE hired to do a FULL investigation.

Remember your point, NIST are NOT the investigators.
Fema report was wrong, inconclusive AND lacked real merit. You can't say THEY were the REAL investigators.
9-11 Commission Report wasn't really an investigation. Don't they even start the report off with this disclaimer:
Our aim has not been to assign individual blame. Our aim has been to
provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to
identify lessons learned.(page xvi) So they weren't in charge of finding the guilty either.



Please stop dodging around things. WHO WAS responsible to invetigate the CRIME SCENE in order to determine the guilty and what ACTUALLY happened on the grounds in NY that day.

I don't want to get in the middle of you two, just stop playing games and help get to the bottom of things. BYE BYE.​
 
I knew that comment would get reaction. I'll be brief then leave, you people offer me nothing but laughs at your ignorance.

1. You (collectively speaking) and I can be either right or wrong.
(thats to the extent that SOMETHING, other than the official story, happened on 9-11) Ray guns, reptiles, hand granades, holograms, who cares. My beliefs are not as wild as you would like them to be to fit your looney bin for all who don't fall in line with the Official "truth" perspective.

So, again, you and I are either right or wrong.

I believe you are wrong. Unfortunately, I do not believe that the "total" truth of that day will be known. But, enough should surface to embarress you.

If you are asking me to believe the towers were NOT blown up from SOMETHING other than planes, fire and gravity then you are all insane or ignorant or stupid or foolish or whatever word you want to plug in for aggressively dumb and easily fooled.


Now, you are going to ask me for my opinion and I will give it, just not right now. I'm working on it. But you folks are not the kind of people who would allow me a vague view of things. You like to rip people apart and change the subject from what they believe to things that are not relavent. I'm in no mood for your childish BS. I'm no dummy and will offer mature coversations with others I see fit. Not with a bunch of bullies that make no sense and just overwhelm anyone with a different view.

I will say it again, so ALL of you know. I will allow anyone on this board the right to change their mind, then change it again, and then again and then again as they see fit. And when the time comes for most of you to see what is really going on. I will reach out my hand in an offering of friendship and the opportunity for YOU ALL to save face.


I thought like you did until I let myself think for myself. You will come around, why, because I AM RIGHT. Good day to those who deserve it.
So does this mean you won't let me in on what the truth is?

You are just so kind, allowing us the right to change our minds. Really.

Now if only you would get rid of the condescending attitude, we could maybe have a discussion.

But I have a feeling that's asking a bit much. After all, you're RIGHT!
 
Your point is well taken, can you point me to the one's who WERE hired to do a FULL investigation.

what more needs to be done?
we know the buildings collapse. we know that two commercial airlines impacted them
we know that the collapse of WTC 1 is part of the reason why WTC 7 collapsed

what more needs to be done?

Remember your point, NIST are NOT the investigators.

THEY are. They investigated why the buildings fell, and are using those findings to make recommendations on FUTURE high rise projects.

Fema report was wrong, inconclusive AND lacked real merit. You can't say THEY were the REAL investigators.
FEMA went with a theory they came up with based on the evidence they found.

9-11 Commission Report
wasn't really an investigation. Don't they even start the report off with this disclaimer:
Our aim has not been to assign individual blame. Our aim has been to
provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to
identify lessons learned.(page xvi) So they weren't in charge of finding the guilty either.


an that's what it was. To make an account of why and how 9/11 happened. Their job wasn't to find out why the buildings collapsed


Please stop dodging around things. WHO WAS responsible to invetigate the CRIME SCENE in order to determine the guilty and what ACTUALLY happened on the grounds in NY that day. [/qutoe]

the FBI
the CIA
and NIST

they have done so.
and released their reports.
 
JimBenArm

You seem nice. I would love to, at some point in the future, have a calm and enjoyable disscussion with you on anything going on in life(9-11, chicks, cars, etc). Maybe if we're lucky, it can be while having drinks in some island paradise. I'm not here to offend you, and forgive me if it seems that way. I usually do a GREAT job of letting someone know i'm being a d*ck head. In this case, i'm not. I just saw people ganging up on one dude, and wanted to interject a little. I can assure you we all have it in us to be pricks, I'll get my turn eventually.

Thanks for your thoughts. You do seem kind and fair.
 
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So you are saying "THEY" "HAVE" photos of this OBVIOUSLY very STRAIGHT cut in the building, BUT, don't have to and won't share.

HOWEVER!!!!, every other image they HAVE used in their reports(at least I think it's pictures and videos that I am witnessing in their reports) is "OK" to show and share. How do they draw the line? WHO chooses what images are "OK" to show the public and "NOT OK"?

So let's recap your point. They use images and video stills in their reports that are NOT theirs. And they supposedly have very clear images of building 7 that they have decided not to share, oh yeah, YET.


WOW, solid stuff. Keep up the great work. You're useless.

Hmmmmm...where to begin.

While I appreciate your desire to speak for me Koog, you shouldnt put words in my mouth. What I was indicating was that any footage, video or photo, is owned by those who shot it, and is theirs to release or not. Short of being a representative of an organization with the legal right to obtain forcibly, said video/photo, neither you, nor truthseeker, are entitled to any of it unless it has been made free to the public.

Thanks for the welcome, I am not here to slap fight, that wastes time.
HOWEVER, you say what? He is a polite and patient poster. This is what I've gathered by him in this thread:

I know you're not that stupid to have said you're not here to slap fight after the derogatory/inflammatory post you posted in response to my comments. Just be a man and admit you flamed me...I can take it.

Post 1. “Footage is a copy of a copy of a copy by the looks of it. The compression is horrid.

Show me the original footage from the station, not some F&*King low rez barely viewable footage from google. You tried the same thing with your alleged "Nose Cone out the other side" crap.

Try again.

TAM”




Post 2. “they havent let the bum down the street look at them either. In other words who the hell are "you" to have access to such things. Do you represent any official organization that should have access to such things?

TAM”



Post 3. “Thanks for the link, but even 640x480 is low rez for this type of thing.

I feel that they do not owe anyone anything. They are private companies. They own the footage. Who do they have an "obligation" to provide this to?

TAM”


Post 4. “Seems to me the perfect debris to cut such a slice would be a long piece of steel. Any long pieces of steel in the WTCs?

lol

TAM”


Post 5. So this video/photo, to us in the sane business, proves the debris damage was enormous, and adds evidence to the effect of debris to damage of WTC7 and its ultimate collapse.

To the truthers, particularly ACE and the no-planers, it proves that a High Energy Beam weapon was used...because only such a weapon could cause such a clean cut.

So what is the solution to this differing of opinions?

TAM”



Post 6. I think a larger version of one of the Tripod aliens from "War of the Worlds" could have created such a hole.”

Post 7. I AGREE

tonic:

1. I agree that sometimes, that some of us here let others "attacks" slide a little if they are made against a "truther". that doesnt make it right, but it happens.

2. If slackness in reporting occurs, it may in some cases be a matter of degree and the vitriol.

TAM

That is how you are suppose to quote someone here Koog. Try it the next time.

Yeah, sounds like he is being polite and nice. Actually it sounds like he's being a condisending jitbag. But thats ok, I can be too. We all can.

What is a jitbag? Would I like being one? Condisending...to someone like TS or you, absolutely...I do not disagree there.

I am torn here. Should I simply give you what you want, get angry, and throw some nasty insults at you? It would be instantly gratifying to me, but I prefer to let the pigs wallow in the mud by themselves. I think I will pass.

Here's my main point, and then I most likely will not post again until I can ADD to a discussion.

So I guess you won't be around anymore then.

Where is the: "yeah, it would be nice to see those NIST pics they aren't sharing, I wonder if they will shed any light on building seven's OBVIOUS bizarre collapse. Because ball busting or not, IT LOOKS LIKE Controlled Demolition. I'll repeat, IT LOOKS LIKE IT. Is it? I don't KNOW either. But even nice and polite TAM has to admit IT LOOKS LIKE ONE.

Been following my posts a bit eh? stalking me are we? Yes, to me, the collapse of WTC7, strictly looking at the video, has the visual appearance of a CD type collapse.

So if all you want to do is bash people for their views, I'm being given the impression that it must be ok to bash YOUR views (which are appearently to just laugh at any other view or idea thats not yours)(scrutiny is one thing). You bash mine, I'll bash yours. Thats what I seem to be seeing.

Have you seen the thread I created on being more civil to the newcomers. For you, given you have started the insult ball running on me personally, I will make an exception for. Anyone who wants to tear you a new proverbial A&SHOLE, may do so, I could care less about you or your feelings.

I'm not here to offend, just defend when it seems people are beating up someone instead of constructively debating or sharing or whatever it is people do here.

That's what I saw from this guy in THIS thread, I may be wrong.

Like most truthers you jump in the middle of something, not knowing the context. It is in keeping with the general movements MO.

TS is a chronic poster, insane, a no-planer, who almost every person in here will say is totally unreasonable, and out to lunch. I personally have no respect for him, as he has slandered me on more than one occasion, and slanders other people here all the time. TS gives as he gets, so you do not need to defend him.

Remember, when the truth is known, most of the other side will allow you all to save face.

The truth is known, and when the MSM are forced to deal with you and your ilk, and the general public are exposed to your crap on a larger level, you will not be able to save face. Those few friends you have that don't think you are loony toons, will know for sure then, that you are.

TAM:)
 
Just a summary please, what happened, in your opinion on 911?


This is my last post in this thread. WHY, because it's titled BUILDING 7...

I have no problem with a summary of my views. I'll post that in about an hour and a half, when I get home, in a PM for you. In time, I will give you the honor of a thread for discussion purposes.


Having what seems to be a cocky attitude at times doesn't automatically mean I am not respectful or polite. Have a great Friday Night!!!
 
NIST wasn't charged with investigating the destruction, the cars, the holes, the disappearances, etc. Thus, NIST wasn't charged with studying the crucial evidence. Therefore they ignored it.
How the hell would any of that help them determine how the towers failed more than studying the towers themselves?

That's like looking at a weather front drizzling rain over the ocean in an attempt to understand why it spawned numerous tornadoes a few days earlier. It's absolutely worthless.
 
Ok, one more.

TAM, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Dude, you could have just realized I might not have a clue about this guy and let it go, or PM'ed me with that info. I've seen what goes on here and I know it's slap fight after slap fight.

I'll save the whole reply to your post, but you're waaaayyy off the mark. I am right. And I'm already looney, you can't live in this world and not be.

MSM "forced to deal with me"? yeah right.

Let's agree to bash each other until we get to know the true other, doesn't matter to me. I will still have to get up in the morning, go to work, come home and pay my bills.

The towers were blown up. Bottom line. Don't care about anything else. They were blown up. You are wrong if you think they just fell. Put me down, call me names, whatever you want, you're wrong. And when the tides turn. Lets have a drink and laugh about it. Until then, we can duke it out all you want. I'll even let you think you won by pretending to feel bad or sad or worthless or insignificant or a bad speller. Whatever you like, your the Vet here, not me. Good day.
 
Ok, one more.

TAM, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Dude, you could have just realized I might not have a clue about this guy and let it go, or PM'ed me with that info. I've seen what goes on here and I know it's slap fight after slap fight.

I'll save the whole reply to your post, but you're waaaayyy off the mark. I am right. And I'm already looney, you can't live in this world and not be.

MSM "forced to deal with me"? yeah right.

Let's agree to bash each other until we get to know the true other, doesn't matter to me. I will still have to get up in the morning, go to work, come home and pay my bills.

The towers were blown up. Bottom line. Don't care about anything else. They were blown up. You are wrong if you think they just fell. Put me down, call me names, whatever you want, you're wrong. And when the tides turn. Lets have a drink and laugh about it. Until then, we can duke it out all you want. I'll even let you think you won by pretending to feel bad or sad or worthless or insignificant or a bad speller. Whatever you like, your the Vet here, not me. Good day.


You misunderstand. I didn't know you existed until you came in here bashing me. You jumped into the middle of something that had a history to it, which you did not know or care to know before you started "slap fighting". Your lack of caring for my opinion, I can assure you is equalled for my lack of caring for yours.

Believe what you want...it is a free country you live in...despite how the truthers whine it isnt.

Get up and go to work, pay your bills...I'll do the same.

I am simply puzzled if you care so little, why did you even bother posting at all... but oh well.

See you.

Oh, and I wouldnt have PMed you, as I think PMing strangers is rude.


TAM:)
 
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