UKIP a one trick Pony

[ddt]

Trump this one:

My rivals should be hanged for treason, says Ukip candidate

You forgot this part:

Mr Ferguson, who runs a rest home for the elderly in the town,

I'd feel extremely uncomfortable if a family member would be in his home. Mr Ferguson seems to advocate homicide for spurious reasons.

And as to Farage's statement "All anyone wants to talk about is the idiots in Ukip.”, wouldn't it indeed be easier to try and list the non-idiots in the UKIP? That list seems to consist of Mr. Farage himself only.

http://swns.com/news/ukip-candidate...locaust-masterplan-create-state-israel-34642/

Wins thread. I wonder if someone can top this one.

Warning. You may need to bleach your brain out after reading it.

I've been inoculated by reading the Holocaust denial thread. Note the toning down by a UKIP spokesman that this is just anti-Zionism. It's indeed thinly veiled antisemitism.

 

[Rolfe]

I cannot believe anyone is going to vote for this shower. (Let alone that mainstream newspapers are comparing them to the social democratic and inclusive SNP, but we'll let that one go for now.)

Rolfe.

 

[Giz]

I cannot believe anyone is going to vote for this shower. (Let alone that mainstream newspapers are comparing them to the social democratic and inclusive SNP, but we'll let that one go for now.)

Rolfe.

Nationalism can be ugly. ..

 

[Rolfe]

Operative word "can".

Rolfe.

 

[Rat]

I cannot believe anyone is going to vote for this shower.

Rolfe.

Let alone that I probably know some people who will. I don't mean that I have particular people in mind (although I do), but that the level of support means that it is almost certainly so, albeit that the avoidance of talking politics in most circumstances and the reluctance to admit it on their parts mean that I don't know who they are.

While I try to get around to voting when I can, I don't always do so. The fact that UKIP and the BNP are fielding candidates this week is the one thing that ensures that I will be up early on Thursday to do so. I may go back in the evening, since my better half won't vote, if I think I can pass as an Angela.

 

[jimbob]

And as to Farage's statement "All anyone wants to talk about is the idiots in Ukip.”, wouldn't it indeed be easier to try and list the non-idiots in the UKIP? That list seems to consist of Mr. Farage himself only.

I don't deny that he is clever (much as it pains me), but he still manages to be an idiot. And not just because of the company he keeps.

Let alone that I probably know some people who will. I don't mean that I have particular people in mind (although I do), but that the level of support means that it is almost certainly so, albeit that the avoidance of talking politics in most circumstances and the reluctance to admit it on their parts mean that I don't know who they are.

While I try to get around to voting when I can, I don't always do so. The fact that UKIP and the BNP are fielding candidates this week is the one thing that ensures that I will be up early on Thursday to do so. I may go back in the evening, since my better half won't vote, if I think I can pass as an Angela.

There are a load of nutjobs standing for the East Midlands seats.

 

[Rincewind]

Yes. He's the son of immigrants, iirc. His hypocrisy knows no bounds

That's what I thought.

And agreed!

 

[Filippo Lippi]

We voted on Sunday via a postal vote, the number of 'we're not racists, but' parties is truly depressing

 

[Rolfe]

And out working yesterday for the party that says "anyone who lives here and makes their home here is Scottish and by the way we need more immigration", I was called a racist. Oh well, all part of life's rich tapestry.

Rolfe.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Heard Salmond saying something similar to you on the radio this morning; I thought the message was quite refreshing and not something anyone (who wants to be elected) dare say down here

 

[Rolfe]

Scotland's population density is low. The population of the country was static throughout the entirety of the late 20th century, when we were being told that world population was booming out of control. Only in the early 21st century has it grown slightly.

At the time of the union, Scotland had about 25% of the population of the new UK (with 33% of the land area). Now, Scotland has only 8.4% of the UK population (although still 33% of the land area of course). We've lost a lot of people to both voluntary and involuntary emigration over the past 250 years or so. We're very happy to poach some warm breathing bodies, and we're not that fussed where they came from.

But I'm still a racist, apparently.

Rolfe.

 

[The Don]

UKIP wanted some publicity by holding a rally for their ethnic minority candidates. The steel band they booked refused to play once they found out who had booked them. It's nothing too serious, just a little embarrassing.

edited to add....

Link to Independent story:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-ukip-fights-racism-accusations-9404231.html

Channel 4's political correspondent Michael Crick, attending the carnival, wrote on Twitter that the steel band members stopped playing when they were told it was a Ukip event, and said they would not have attended if they had known beforehand.

Yet the gathering, described by a source earlier as as more “like a street party” than a political rally, descended into chaos as Ukip supporters clashed with protesters and campaigners on Croydon High Street.

Oops.....

 

[Chaos]

Operative word "can".

The thing is, I can´t think of a single example, other than the Scottish, who aren´t.

"anyone who lives here and makes their home here is Scottish and by the way we need more immigration"

This, especially, is something that to my knowledge no other nationalist movement would ever say. They´re more in the "let´s throw out that foreign-looking scum" business.

 

[Peephole]

The EU could guarantee massive economic success, full employment, the eradication of poverty, an end to crime, and rain joy and happiness on every person in the country from birth to death on top - it would still be fundamentally wrong to commit us to it without asking those people if that is what they want.

I disagree, UK voters continuously vote in UK politicians that support Europe (in general). That's the way people are asked about issues in a representative democracy.

 

[jimbob]

Or apart from the Latvians and other Eastern Europeans who were hired to distribute UKIP leaflets.

Almost as good as the BNP's poster against immigrants (including Poles) showing a Spitfire - which happened to be a Free Polish one.

The last major example of the Polish coming over here and taking our jobs was, as the Telegraph notes, during the aforementioned Battle of Britain when their pilots accounted for 203 Luftwaffe aircraft - roughly "12 per cent of total German losses".

 

[Rolfe]

The thing is, I can´t think of a single example, other than the Scottish, who aren´t.

This, especially, is something that to my knowledge no other nationalist movement would ever say. They´re more in the "let´s throw out that foreign-looking scum" business.

I don't think that's necessarily true. A lot has been written about the very big difference between the "nationalism" of states which is expansionist and ethnic, and the "nationalism" which only seeks self-determination and normal status for a defined country which currently lacks this. Scotland is certainly not the only example of the latter in history, and probably not even the only one in existence at the moment.

See this recent article.

I am a nationalist

the American Revolution is the genesis of nationalism as a political movement. Driven by the writings of radicals such as Tom Paine, the American Revolution was the first stand against the monarchical rule that had dominated Europe for millennia. The American revolutionaries looked back to an era before Europe was ruled by petty tyrants and modeled their system of democratic government on the Greek and Roman republics of classical antiquity

The American revolutionaries brought together numerous strands of political thought that had developed across Europe and that made their way across the Atlantic as radicals and authors headed west seeking an escape from oppression or censorship at home. The success of the revolution placed the United States in the vanguard of history, influencing the whole of world politics down to the present day. It became a catalyst that encouraged nationalist ideals to spread like wildfire (or like a virus you might say).

Or this one.

The complete idiot's guide to nationalism

It's a vocabulary problem. Of course it's being used deliberately to smear and "other" the Scottish independence movement by those who don't want us to vote Yes in September, but I'm a bit tired of hearing "the SNP is the Scottish version of UKIP" and being called a racist.

Rolfe.

 

[asydhouse]

I just got around to watching Wales Today from last week where MEP candidates (one from each of Tories, Labour, LibDem, Plaid Cymru and Ukip) were on a Question Time type panel.

The Ukip was always interrupting, calling the others liars, getting smarmy with his "appeal to reason" soft speaking yet still arrogant persona, and more than once he evoked from the varied audience (with lots of articulate and intelligent youth amongst them, glad to say) a collective laugh of ridicule and/or jeering.

I doubt very much Ukip gained any voters, and may well have lost a few.

It was heartening.

 

[Agatha]

UKIP wanted some publicity by holding a rally for their ethnic minority candidates. The steel band they booked refused to play once they found out who had booked them. It's nothing too serious, just a little embarrassing.

edited to add....

Link to Independent story:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-ukip-fights-racism-accusations-9404231.html

Oops.....

Buzzfeed suggests that the steel band didn't get paid, although they did play for a while. http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/i-went-to-the-ukip-diversity-carnival-and-it-was-a-total-dis

 

[The Don]

Buzzfeed suggests that the steel band didn't get paid, although they did play for a while. http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/i-went-to-the-ukip-diversity-carnival-and-it-was-a-total-dis

Disgusting, if anyone failed to pay Wyld Bird Seed for a gig - they'd get a visit from Sicknote, our 6'6" drummer.

Fortunately it looks like the band might get paid after all - from a update to the buzzfeed:

After reading this article XPatJobs, an employment agency that specialises in overseas job listings, has agreed to cover the £350 fee to the steel band that UKIP did not pay.

 

[Rolfe]

I can see exactly where the people who say they have lived and worked in Scotland for many years but that doesn't make them Scots are coming from. I lived and worked in England for almost 25 years but that didn't make me English.

It could have done, though, if I'd wanted it to. It was my choice. Just as whether or not to accept a Scottish nationality will be a choice for everyone who wasn't born here. Or even those who were, come to think of it.

In my case, I was living in England because that's where my job was. Without that, I'd have been back home sharpish - as indeed happened in 2006. I imagine anyone from England who has to live here because of a job and who intends to return to England when no longer tied by that job is in exactly the same situation.

I'm more puzzled by the people who are living here purely by choice, and who nevertheless say they have no desire to be Scots. I suppose it's much the same as the Brits who retire to Spain for the sun. They're here for the lifestyle, not to be assimilated. Well, that's OK too.

Nobody is forced to become Scots after independence. The point is that no British citizen who is normally resident here will be denied the right. And it doesn't matter if you arrived from Manchester yesterday, or your parents arrived from Pakistan in 1950, or you can trace direct descent from Kenneth MacAlpine through both parents.

Rolfe.