UK - December 2019 General Election

[GlennB]

Narrow win for Corbyn, IMHO. The Conservative Party's rebranding its Twitter account was disgusting. For a party that's ahead in the polls, they come across as increasingly desperate.

They'll be ****-stirring all the way. It's Trump and the GOP, writ small.

 

[Ian Osborne]

All the hand-wringing after the fact makes no difference, the damage is done.

True. And Twitter hasn't helped, suspending accounts that parodied the Conservative Party's actions, but leaving the CCHQ account unmolested.

 

[Seismosaurus]

Huh. This was the debate Battle of Jutland. Corbyn did better on the day for a tactical victory... but strategically he needed to move the swingometer, and he didn't.

 

[Ethan Thane Athen]

Narrow win for Corbyn, IMHO. The Conservative Party's rebranding its Twitter account was disgusting. For a party that's ahead in the polls, they come across as increasingly desperate.

I'd say it was criminal. Their excuse that they still had CCHQ in small type is pathetic. I'm pretty politically literate and it didn't register with me when I first saw it. When I finally noticed, I first misread it as GCHQ and thought they'd gone a stage further and were pretending it was an official verdict from the UK Intelligence Services!

Doctoring videos, faking independent fact checking orgs and suppressing the report on Russian interference - this all needs a much bigger fuss made. If they get away with this, what the hell are they going to be like if they are returned with a bigger majority!

 

[Vixen]

I think the problem is Jeremy Corbyn, not the messaging from central office. You can an Old Trot to a narrative but you cannot make him buy into it.

Hate to disappoint all the DM readers but Corbyn is more Keynsian than Trot. Sorry.

 

[The Don]

Hate to disappoint all the DM readers but Corbyn is more Keynsian than Trot. Sorry.

"Old Trot" doesn't literally refer to an aged Trotskyite, but instead is a term applied by New Labour supporters in the early 90's to the older members of the party who were resisting reforms to the party such as dropping Clause 4.

Jeremy Corbyn absolutely fits this description.

 

[Rolfe]

Doctoring videos, faking independent fact checking orgs and suppressing the report on Russian interference - this all needs a much bigger fuss made. If they get away with this, what the hell are they going to be like if they are returned with a bigger majority!

The BBC has already said that they don't want any challenge to be made to Johnston's lies because to expose him as a liar would be to undermine the public's trust in government.

Where can I emigrate to?

 

[Blue Bubble]

Where can I emigrate to?

Simply remaining in Scotland will probably be sufficient

 

[Ian Osborne]

Huh. This was the debate Battle of Jutland. Corbyn did better on the day for a tactical victory... but strategically he needed to move the swingometer, and he didn't.

An excellent comparison. I wonder if either skipper will go down with their ship if they lose?

 

[Ian Osborne]

When I finally noticed, I first misread it as GCHQ and thought they'd gone a stage further and were pretending it was an official verdict from the UK Intelligence Services!

If it's any consolation, I made exactly the same misreading when I first came across it.

 

[dudalb]

I think the problem is Jeremy Corbyn, not the messaging from central office. You can an Old Trot to a narrative but you cannot make him buy into it.

Watched the debate on C Span last night;
God, I would hate to have to choose between those two. I would probably end up voting for Labot/Corbyn, but I would probably vomit in the voting booth while I was doing it.
But I see a couple of the "Mickey Mouse" Labor supporters here are ignoring Corbyn's weak leadership, and his incredible dodging the issue on Britix.

 

[dudalb]

They do it because it works and because they know they can get away with it.

All the hand-wringing after the fact makes no difference, the damage is done.

I love the way you ignore that Corbyn is simply not a good leader for Labor.

 

[dudalb]

An excellent comparison. I wonder if either skipper will go down with their ship if they lose?

I suspect a mutiny might happen with the loser....

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Some of the right wing commentators with integrity are starting to stand up against these lies and the reluctance of the media to call them out

I have talked to senior BBC executives, and they tell me they personally think it’s wrong to expose lies told by a British prime minister because it undermines trust in British politics. Is that a reason for giving Johnson free rein to make any false claim he wants?

Peter Oborne

 

[Seismosaurus]

An excellent comparison. I wonder if either skipper will go down with their ship if they lose?

I've wondered about that. My impression of Corbyn's followers is that they won't be at all disheartened by an election loss... or by several, if it came to that. So if Corbyn wants to stay after a loss, he'll probably get to. Most leaders resign after a loss, but Kinnock didn't, for instance.

If I had to guess I'd guess that if Corbyn loses, he will stay on as leader and blame the loss on the party not being left wing enough. Then he'll spend the next parliament pushing the party as far to the left as he can.

Boris would quit if he loses, I suspect. Again guessing, but I doubt being PM has been as much fun as he thought it would be so he'd likely bow to the inevitable and throw his support behind somebody on the right.

 

[angrysoba]

Watched the debate on C Span last night;
God, I would hate to have to choose between those two. I would probably end up voting for Labot/Corbyn, but I would probably vomit in the voting booth while I was doing it.
But I see a couple of the "Mickey Mouse" Labor supporters here are ignoring Corbyn's weak leadership, and his incredible dodging the issue on Britix.

In the UK you don’t actually vote for the prime minister, you vote for the MP. In this case it may be that the Labour Party candidate would be a better choice for you, or the Lib Dems or the Greens depending on your constituency.

 

[The Don]

I've wondered about that. My impression of Corbyn's followers is that they won't be at all disheartened by an election loss... or by several, if it came to that. So if Corbyn wants to stay after a loss, he'll probably get to. Most leaders resign after a loss, but Kinnock didn't, for instance.

If I had to guess I'd guess that if Corbyn loses, he will stay on as leader and blame the loss on the party not being left wing enough. Then he'll spend the next parliament pushing the party as far to the left as he can.

Boris would quit if he loses, I suspect. Again guessing, but I doubt being PM has been as much fun as he thought it would be so he'd likely bow to the inevitable and throw his support behind somebody on the right.

If my experience of Labour Party membership in the 1980s is anything to go by, a devastating defeat in the polls is a badge of honour, a clear indication that their policies are the right ones.

 

[Ian Osborne]

If my experience of Labour Party membership in the 1980s is anything to go by, a devastating defeat in the polls is a badge of honour, a clear indication that their policies are the right ones.

Yes, and that's the attitude that gave us a decade of Thatcher.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I love the way you ignore that Corbyn is simply not a good leader for Labor.

And how is that connected to the Conservatives misleading voters by pretending to be a fact checking service?

 

[Darat]

Yes, and that's the attitude that gave us a decade of Thatcher.

No that was caused by the Falklands war.

Before that she was incredibly unpopular with everyone including Conservatives and it is very likely she wouldn't have won the next GE.