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Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)

Safe-Keeper said:
No. They overwhelmingly do not want to join the USA. You sound like a Putin fanboy trying to excuse the invasion of Ukraine.

Also, if you're going to use treatment of natives as an excuse, is the US record any better in that regard?
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Why else does Trump want Greenland other than because of its strategic position and its very lucrative mines of scarce minerals? ISTM Trump announcing he wants Greenland is an early signal of Trump's and Putin's intention of entering into a power pact to divide up the western world*. Norway became very rich due to North Sea oil; once the native Greenlanders realise the goldmine they are sitting on, why would they choose allegiance with Denmark after the way Denmark has treated their people? If put to a referendum, Denmark might be shocked by the result.

BTW hardly a 'Putin fan boy'; my grandfather and uncles plus direct ancestors have fought the USSR/Russians/Novgorodians/Muscovites over many many generations and breast-by-breast with Gustavus Adolphus and Jacobus de la Gardie.

*This is similar to the bragging by Trump that Musk already knew he had won the election in advance, thanks to his Starlink technology. Trump really does believe he will get Greenland. It's an announcement of a fait accompli IMV.
 
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The biggest stumbling block when it comes to the future of an independent Greenland is the level of welfare and how they plan on paying for it. As much as Muté Egede likes to talk up the prospect of independence, the cold hard fact is that at the moment they've not even taken full advantage of home rule, to the point that they've only taken over authority in 3 areas out of 30 afforded them - and those 3 are some of the cheaper ones on the budget (one of them is authority on time, including the scrapping of daylight savings time).

They've tried talking up rare earths as a source of income, but as pointed out by professor of geology, Minik Rosing, China already supplies the vast majority of these, and it's a tall - and expensive - order to start mining in Greenland, with no guarantee for return on investments.
 
The Danish government has miraculously backtracked on its policy of parental competence testing of Greenlandic background parents. Probably embarrassment at the sudden world focus on this issue thanks to Trump's stated determination to do a land grab of Greenland.


In her statement, Hæstorp Andersen said: “A child being removed from home is one of the most intrusive things that can happen to a family. The government of Greenland has raised serious concerns about the approach to children’s cases involving families with a Greenlandic background.

“We in the government have listened to this concern. We have now found a good and common solution, where we replace the use of standardised psychological tests with a special unit that has expertise in the Greenlandic language and culture. It is my hope that the solution will give Greenlanders in Denmark peace and security back.”

The government said that a bill would be submitted “as soon as possible” and planned to bring the new law into force “no later than 1 May 2025”.
GUARDIAN
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Vixen said:
The Danish government has miraculously backtracked on its policy of parental competence testing of Greenlandic background parents. Probably embarrassment at the sudden world focus on this issue thanks to Trump's stated determination to do a land grab of Greenland.
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I can't even tell if you're serious anymore.
 
Vixen said:
The Danish government has miraculously backtracked on its policy of parental competence testing of Greenlandic background parents. Probably embarrassment at the sudden world focus on this issue thanks to Trump's stated determination to do a land grab of Greenland.
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Because a Trump-based government would have them ALL sent back to where they illegally immigrated from.
 
Vixen said:
The Danish government has miraculously backtracked on its policy of parental competence testing of Greenlandic background parents. Probably embarrassment at the sudden world focus on this issue thanks to Trump's stated determination to do a land grab of Greenland.
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Nope. This started before Trump introduced a new Greenland issue in world politics. The problem is not because parental competence testing as such, but that the tests favour Danish culture, and children in Denmark have been removed because their single mother “was too Greenlandic”. The responsible minister immediately asked local councils not to use the tests, but an actual directive to discontinue their use was only issued after Trump.

Regarding the embarrassing policy of limiting the Greenlandic population: it was done out of pure racism, because of a belief that Greenlanders are predisposed to a life of unemployment and alcoholism. Considering that unemployment is still a problem in Greenland, it is clear that a larger population would not have lessened the problem, but it also ignores the fact that the economy could have grown if more attention had been given.

It seems that all colonial countries have the same problems with racism, and attempt to limit and assimilate the original people. As far as I can see, the Greenlanders are very much aware that they will not be treated with less racism in the U.S., and that they will lose the benefits of the Danish social welfare state. Even the guy who invited Trump Jr. has said that although he admires Trump, he does not want Greenland to be taken over by the U.S.

As the Greenlandic leader Múte B. Egede has said: “Greenland is not for sale, but it is open for business”. His party is, by the way, the most vehement opponent of mining in Greenland.
 
Vixen said:
The Danish government has miraculously backtracked on its policy of parental competence testing of Greenlandic background parents. Probably embarrassment at the sudden world focus on this issue thanks to Trump's stated determination to do a land grab of Greenland.
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No, it has nothing to do with "Trump's stated determination to do a land grab of Greenland":

Gjorde modernisering besværlig: Her er tre grunde til, at Danmark ville begrænse antallet af nyfødte i Grønland (DR.dk, May 8, 2022)

There's a Wiki page about it:
Spiral case (Wikipedia)
The spiral case (also known as the coil campaign, coil case or IUD case; Danish: spiralsagen or spiralkampagnen) is an ongoing investigation into a birth control campaign by the Danish government in Greenland which occurred primarily during the 1960s and 1970s. Danish doctors placed intrauterine devices in thousands of Greenlandic Inuit girls and women, often without consent and under the direction of government officials. The program was created to prevent unplanned or unwanted pregnancies, lower costs, and control Greenland's birth rate. Several cases occurred after the responsibility of the health care system was transferred to the Greenland government in 1991.
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Vixen said:
Really? So what was with Denmark's mass forced-contraception campaign about then?
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It is explained in the DR.dk article mentioned in my previous post.
As for the question about 'Lebensraum': The acreage of a country has very little to do with it. It's limited by the size of the habitable areas of a country. It's the reason why the population density of Australia is only about 3.5 per km2, Libya 4.1, Finland 18.4, Denmark 141, Belgium 383, Antarctica, 0.00009 to 0.00032 (seasonal). In Greenland, it's 0.14.
 
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Vixen said:
Given the population of Greenland is circa 56,000 and is the largest island in the world, bigger than Australia, one wonders in which way its population is 'too large' that Denmark has to force its young female inhabitants to use contraception without consent.
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As for the size of countries, see my previous post.
Denmark didn't have to force youn inhabitants to use contraception without consent, obviously.
In this respect, the issue is fairly similar to any other use of forced contraception or sterilization. The latter was practiced in Denmark until 1961 on retarded or 'loose' women. I wouldn't be surprised if forced contraception continued after that.

Vixen said:
So, yes, Greenland's local governing body might be more amenable to US citizenship than you might think.
Is there a Danish correspondent in the house for informed comment in this matter?
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Yes, there are a couple of us now.
Greenlanders have many reasons to want sovereignty, but there is no reason to think that more than a minority of them are "more amenable to US citizenship than you might think." Don't let the MAGA stunts confuse you.
If I were a Greenlander, I would take a look at how the USA treats Inuits in Alaska. And I don't think that what MAGA thinks of USA's "floating island of garbage" would encourage me to become a U.S. citizen.
Some Greenlandic voices:
 
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theprestige said:
Hitler wanted lebensraum - living space. A practical solution for a growing population and its growing need for farmland.
Liebensraum isn't a word, but if it were, it would be closer to what Trump seems to be talking about, and further from what Hitler was fighting for.
Congrats on being so wrong you're right, but also wrong.
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It was not a solution to anything, and it wasn't very practical. As for feeding the German population, soldiers as well as female breeders, occupying an agricultural country like Denmark was much smarter, at least for the first couple of years when there wasn't much resistance.
In that way, Denmark could continue to produce food that would be consumed by the Germans. And the Danes would deliver the manpower, too.

People tend to become uncooperative when they find out that they are meant to be exterminated in the long run to give room for more 'Aryians'. The Slavs put up more of a fight than the Danes.

You're right about Liebensraum. It's Lebensraum - or maybe Liebestraum, but that's very different thing. A place for making love would be Liebesraum without the n.
I think that Liebensraum, the title of a movie in a Wikipedia article (also at IMDb), is misspelled.
 
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