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Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)

I mean point 1. A false flag attack? What's that even proposing, that US troops dressed like Greenlanders or Danes attack the base? What would the motive even be? Why would the Danish government, which is allied to the US, even do such a thing?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I mean point 1. A false flag attack? What's that even proposing, that US troops dressed like Greenlanders or Danes attack the base? What would the motive even be? Why would the Danish government, which is allied to the US, even do such a thing?
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To prevent their vassals from being bound over to the Trump regime by corrupt officials in Greenland.

The governor of Greenland is going to sell out the island in a secret deal. The only way to stop it is for Danish commandos to seize the apparatus of government and impose martial law until the crisis is resolved..

The best part is, the more Denmark insists that they'll oppose any handover of the island, the more plausible a false flag along such lines would be. At least for the first news cycle or so.
 
junkshop said:
I'm going to go ahead and assume this isn't a serious question.
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Whatever. The point is, the US has a pretty good record of invading countries for reasons of national interest, and then returning those countries to their rightful citizens once the crisis is resolved. Whether it's Japan, Germany, or Grenada. Even when it's misguided or doomed to failure, like Iraq or Afghanistan.
 
So, before Denmark's defence spending increases take effect, Putin is going to lend his old pal Trump some of his North Korean cannon fodder for a false flag attack on Greenland, so Trump gets invited to send a relief force to occupy, I mean defend, Greenland.

Simple enough.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
So, before Denmark's defence spending increases take effect, Putin is going to lend his old pal Trump some of his North Korean cannon fodder for a false flag attack on Greenland, so Trump gets invited to send a relief force to occupy, I mean defend, Greenland.

Simple enough.
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By all accounts Putin doesn't have any Norks to spare, seeing how they're being gobbled up by Ukrainian meat grinders in Kursk.
 
theprestige said:
To prevent their vassals from being bound over to the Trump regime by corrupt officials in Greenland.

The governor of Greenland is going to sell out the island in a secret deal. The only way to stop it is for Danish commandos to seize the apparatus of government and impose martial law until the crisis is resolved..

The best part is, the more Denmark insists that they'll oppose any handover of the island, the more plausible a false flag along such lines would be. At least for the first news cycle or so.
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The twist in the tale of course, is that I gather the Governor of Greenland has a massive grudge against Denmark because of how Denmark (a) had enforced care orders (not dissimilar to Canada's Native indigenous children) and (b) forced contraception on young adults without their consent. Denmark's treatment of its Greenlander citizens has been pretty highhanded and colonialist, as if Greenlanders are lesser people.
 
Vixen said:
The twist in the tale of course, is that I gather the Governor of Greenland has a massive grudge against Denmark
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Which one would this be, Hans Lasson? That’s some sort of grudge since he died in 2011.
Oh, and he was also the last governor of Greenland a position that was abolished in 1979 upon establishment of Greenlands home rule.

Vixen said:
because of how Denmark (a) had enforced care orders (not dissimilar to Canada's Native indigenous children) and (b) forced contraception on young adults without their consent. Denmark's treatment of its Greenlander citizens has been pretty highhanded and colonialist, as if Greenlanders are lesser people.
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We all look forward to seeing valid cites for the causes of the governor’s posthumous grudge.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I mean point 1. A false flag attack? What's that even proposing, that US troops dressed like Greenlanders or Danes attack the base? What would the motive even be? Why would the Danish government, which is allied to the US, even do such a thing?
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they will attack the naval bases, riding on whales.

Dips on the movie rights.
 
EHocking said:
Which one would this be, Hans Lasson? That’s some sort of grudge since he died in 2011.
Oh, and he was also the last governor of Greenland a position that was abolished in 1979 upon establishment of Greenlands home rule.


We all look forward to seeing valid cites for the causes of the governor’s posthumous grudge.
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Forgive me, I was carelessly quoting someone else's term.

The issues Greenland has with Denmark has recently been expressed by:

Naaja Nathanielsen, Greenland’s minister for housing, infrastructure, minerals, justice and gender equality, said the government had been trying to drum up interest in collaboration with both the EU and the US for “many years”, but it was only now that it was getting the attention it had been seeking. Her comments came after the prime minister, Múte Egede, on Monday said Greenland had started a dialogue with the US and was seeking to cooperate with the Trump administration. He said his country was open to closer ties with the US and had its “doors open in terms of mining”.
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She mentions:

Usually, she said, the Danish media showed little interest in speaking to her about either minerals or the forced contraceptive scandal, in which at least 4,500 girls and women are believed to have been forcibly fitted with the contraceptive coil without their consent or knowledge at the hands of Danish doctors between 1966 and 1970 alone in an attempt to reduce the population of the former Danish colony. GUARDIAN 14 Jan 2025
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Given the population of Greenland is circa 56,000 and is the largest island in the world, bigger than Australia, one wonders in which way its population is 'too large' that Denmark has to force its young female inhabitants to use contraception without consent.

The enforced contraception issue:

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — A group of Indigenous women in Greenland has sued Denmark for forcing them to be fitted with intrauterine contraceptive devices in the 1960s and 1970s and demanded total compensation of nearly 43 million kroner ($6.3 million), their lawyer said Monday.

The 143 Inuit women say Danish health authorities violated their human rights when they fitted them with the devices, commonly known as coils. Some of the women — including many who were teenagers at the time — were not aware of what happened or did not consent to the intervention.
By JAN M. OLSEN
Updated 4:26 PM EET, March 4, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/greenlan...tion-denmark-539ef9e1e4ecd007dd34b2a024ecb0fa
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More on the social issues of how Greenlander women were affected by Denmark's actions:

Women say being fitted with IUDs without their consent left them with pain, shame and lasting reproductive difficulties GUARDIAN
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Then there is the scandal of a disproportionate number of Greenlander children removed from their families into care, as compared to Danish children.

In recent years, as many as 5.6 percent of all Greenlandic children in Denmark have been living in care, compared to 1 percent of ethnic Danish children. According to Statistics Greenland, about 15,000 Greenlanders live in Denmark, making up less than half a percent of Denmark’s population.

Arctic Today
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In addition, in 2020, Denmark was forced to apologise about its 'little Dane' programme with the aim of turning Greenlanders into proper Danes.

Denmark's prime minister has apologised to 22 children who were removed from their homes in Greenland in the 1950s in a failed social experiment.
They were taken to Denmark to be re-educated as "little Danes" who could later return to foster cultural links.
But when 16 did return they were put in an orphanage and many did not see their families again. Only six are now alive.
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BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55238090

So, yes, Greenland's local governing body might be more amenable to US citizenship than you might think.


Is there a Danish correspondent in the house for informed comment in this matter?
 
Vixen said:
Forgive me, I was carelessly quoting someone else's term.

The issues Greenland has with Denmark has recently been expressed by:



She mentions:



Given the population of Greenland is circa 56,000 and is the largest island in the world, bigger than Australia, one wonders in which way its population is 'too large' that Denmark has to force its young female inhabitants to use contraception without consent.

The enforced contraception issue:



More on the social issues of how Greenlander women were affected by Denmark's actions:



Then there is the scandal of a disproportionate number of Greenlander children removed from their families into care, as compared to Danish children.



In addition, in 2020, Denmark was forced to apologise about its 'little Dane' programme with the aim of turning Greenlanders into proper Danes.


BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55238090

So, yes, Greenland's local governing body might be more amenable to US citizenship than you might think.


Is there a Danish correspondent in the house for informed comment in this matter?
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Greenland's area is about 2.16 million square kilometers, whereas Australia’s spans around 7.68 million square kilometers. That makes Australia more than three times the size of Greenland.
 
Belgian thought said:
Greenland's area is about 2.16 million square kilometers, whereas Australia’s spans around 7.68 million square kilometers. That makes Australia more than three times the size of Greenland.
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A-ha! Fair enough, I was hoist by a petard there!

The Island​

Greenland, the world’s largest island, is bigger than Mexico but has a population of just 56,000 scattered in a few coastal towns and remote settlements, making it the least populated country on Earth. Its tortuous coast is notable for fishing harbors and chained, barking work dogs of a single breed. No other breed is allowed here north of the Arctic Circle. But mostly Greenland is a mile-thick hunk of ancient ice that holds 9 percent of the world’s water.

Although it’s part of North America, Greenland – also known as Kalaallit Nunaat – is an autonomous nation in the Kingdom of Denmark, and most Greenlanders are part Inuit and part Danish. Knud Rasmussen, the best-known Greenlander, brought Eskimo-Inuit culture to the rest of the world. He made brutally difficult expeditions by dogsled and boat across the Arctic, from his native Ilulissat in western Greenland across Baffin Bay into Canada, Alaska and Siberia. He found common language and customs across thousands of miles and was the first person to record widespread Inuit culture.
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...but it is not bigger than Australia.
 
Vixen said:
So, yes, Greenland's local governing body might be more amenable to US citizenship than you might think.
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No. They overwhelmingly do not want to join the USA. You sound like a Putin fanboy trying to excuse the invasion of Ukraine.

Also, if you're going to use treatment of natives as an excuse, is the US record any better in that regard?
 
It seems odd to talk about Denmark's historically paternalistic attitude to Greenlanders but then seem to assume the inevitable alternative is for Greenlanders to choose to be ruled by someone else, rather than choose not to be ruled.
 
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