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Trump's Inauguration Speech

ChrisBFRPKY said:
He finished his speech without rain falling, but it did rain during.
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KellyAnne would be proud of that outstanding nonsense. If you can work on saying it with a straight face, you'll probably have a job in the press office.

BTW: The weather bureau has confirmed that it was raining during his speech. He LIED.
 
Meadmaker said:
I had a very busy weekend and didn't talk to my wife until late yesterday. We got to "the speech", and I asked her what she thought of it. I don't remember her exact answer, but it was generally positive. We used words like "positive" "uplifting" "energetic".

I didn't much like the content of the speech, in terms of what policies it portended, but the tone was good. We both agreed on these things.

The thing that I found interesting, and I new she would be surprised by, was how the media described it. I knew that she would have turned off coverage and not listened to the talking heads afterwards. In the coverage afterwards, I heard the media analysts describing it as "dark" and "negative". I was very surprised by that, but I saw several headlines with those words in them over the next day or so. When I mentioned that to my wife, she thought that was crazy. It was kind of a "What speech were they listening to" moment.

I don't like Trump. I think he's insane. I think his policies are, mostly, going to be very bad. However, that speech he gave wasn't negative. it wasn't dark. Anyone who thinks it was is out of touch.
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Well we can go right to the speech text and settle this, can't we?

This can be taken either way depending on if you think the country is great or was great:
joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and restore its promise for all of our people
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While I might buy this, it neglects to mention the rich getting richer while the poor getting poorer are generally not in the government, they are funding the legislators:
For too long, a small group in our nation's capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have born the cost. Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth.
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The whole paragraph continues in the same negative vein.

He exaggerates the size of his movement (but that's another subject).


This is negative as hell, but again, if you believe it, it may not sound that way:
Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities, rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation, an education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge and the crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now....

We've defended other nations' borders, while refusing to defend our own, and spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas, while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay. We've made other countries rich while the wealth, strength and confidence of our country has dissipated over the horizon. One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores with not even a thought about the millions and millions of American workers that were left behind. The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.
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The rest is rah rah rah cheerleading.

I can see how some of that is very negative depending on how you view Trump's description of the country. I can see how that all sounds positive from the other side of the room.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Trump spoke directly to the American people and not so much to the politicians in DC. It was a moving speech and I was proud to stand in the rain to hear it as was everyone else around me. Trump destroyed the DC establishment and called it exactly as it is. Those that padded their pockets for years while the American worker suffered were called out and told it all stops today. Of course nobody from the Left will get what he was saying as a given.
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Except for him padding his pockets. That he plans to continue full blast.

It's not a requirement to agree or disagree with what he said but one must acknowledge the fact that he did not deviate from anything he said he would do during the campaign.
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Except for now saying he will not release his tax returns, as just one example.
 
Spindrift said:
KellyAnne would be proud of that outstanding nonsense. If you can work on saying it with a straight face, you'll probably have a job in the press office.

BTW: The weather bureau has confirmed that it was raining during his speech. He LIED.
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It did rain "during" his speech, but it did not rain for the "duration" of his speech.
Please watch the video and tell me if you think he needed a hair dryer afterwards.
Chris B.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Except for him padding his pockets. That he plans to continue full blast.

Except for now saying he will not release his tax returns, as just one example.
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Opinion.


The election is over, there is no need to release them.
Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
It did rain "during" his speech, but it did not rain for the "duration" of his speech.
Please watch the video and tell me if you think he needed a hair dryer afterwards.
Chris B.
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Trump said it stopped when he started and didn't start again until he was finished. HE LIED.

His hair? Really? Everyone knows the Lower Hudson Orange Head Squirrel is water repellent.
 
I think the speech's critics are influenced by their view of the pending policies or ideologies. Yes, he is describing "things are bad now", and the description of the bad things isn't positive. However, it is always followed by "We will fix it". That's a pretty positive message.

Let me compare it to a figure from history. Remember Baghdad Bob? For any youngsters in the audience, that was the spokesman for Saddam Hussein's government during the Iraq war in 2003. Every day he would brief the world press talking about the glorious state of the Iraqi army and how they would bring death to the crusaders.

It was utter codswallop, laughable in its unreality. But that guy was bringing a very positive message. It was a lie, but it was an optimistic lie.

"It's always darkest before the dawn." is a positive message.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Opinion.


The election is over, there is no need to release them.
Chris B.
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And he knew that would be the case when he said he would release them.

In other words, he said he would release them, but he knew there would be no need to release them, so he wasn't going to.

In other words, he lied. Just a plain, simple, lie. Nothing fancy. No special turns of phrase or subtle nuances. He knew what the truth was, and deliberately said the exact opposite.

I don't care if he ever releases his tax returns. I don't think he should be obligated to do so. However, the ease with which the man lies is disturbing to me.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think the speech's critics are influenced by their view of the pending policies or ideologies. Yes, he is describing "things are bad now", and the description of the bad things isn't positive. However, it is always followed by "We will fix it". That's a pretty positive message.

Let me compare it to a figure from history. Remember Baghdad Bob? For any youngsters in the audience, that was the spokesman for Saddam Hussein's government during the Iraq war in 2003. Every day he would brief the world press talking about the glorious state of the Iraqi army and how they would bring death to the crusaders.

It was utter codswallop, laughable in its unreality. But that guy was bringing a very positive message. It was a lie, but it was an optimistic lie.

"It's always darkest before the dawn." is a positive message.
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I know your wife listened and thought it was positive. I listened and couldn't get the image of a super-villain giving his big speech out of my head. Trumps delivery is not very smooth. However, in reading the speech, it does come off as positive but in ways that made me cringe. The America First, America First jingoism I find grating.
 
Spindrift said:
I know your wife listened and thought it was positive. I listened and couldn't get the image of a super-villain giving his big speech out of my head. Trumps delivery is not very smooth. However, in reading the speech, it does come off as positive but in ways that made me cringe. The America First, America First jingoism I find grating.
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Yes. That's it.

I hadn't thought of the super-villain angle, but it's not bad. It's the uplifiting, but phony, speech given by a caricature of a human being, to wild applause from a caricature of a crowd.

You couldn't see it as positive because you hated the message, but it was.
 
Meadmaker said:
And he knew that would be the case when he said he would release them.

In other words, he said he would release them, but he knew there would be no need to release them, so he wasn't going to.

In other words, he lied. Just a plain, simple, lie. Nothing fancy. No special turns of phrase or subtle nuances. He knew what the truth was, and deliberately said the exact opposite.

I don't care if he ever releases his tax returns. I don't think he should be obligated to do so. However, the ease with which the man lies is disturbing to me.
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Under the advice of his attorney he did not release them during the audit. Though he offered to release them in conflict with his attorney's advice if Hillary would release her emails. Who didn't release what? You can be miffed that he didn't release his tax returns, which he is not legally required to do so, and I'll be miffed that Hillary didn't release her emails, which she is not legally required to do so.

Now as far as Donald Trump's financials, there was a 104 page
disclosure filed with the Federal Elections Commission. If you need to know something, perhaps you should look there.
Chris B.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And it might help people track down even more constitutional violations. That would be the worst.
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Isn't that why he was required to file a 104 page financial disclosure with FEC?
To make sure there are no surprises? You think they didn't check his financial disclosure? Keep the faith.
Chris B.
 
Trump didn't even show proof that he was in fact under audit.
And he is lying when he says no one wants to see them.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump didn't even show proof that he was in fact under audit.
And he is lying when he says no one wants to see them.
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Nobody that voted for him is concerned with his tax returns. The only people that want to see them are those looking for something, anything that would possibly cause trouble for him. Why on Earth would he provide them with ammunition? I wouldn't either.

Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Under the advice of his attorney he did not release them during the audit. Though he offered to release them in conflict with his attorney's advice if Hillary would release her emails. Who didn't release what? You can be miffed that he didn't release his tax returns, which he is not legally required to do so, and I'll be miffed that Hillary didn't release her emails, which she is not legally required to do so.

Now as far as Donald Trump's financials, there was a 104 page
disclosure filed with the Federal Elections Commission. If you need to know something, perhaps you should look there.
Chris B.
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Sorry that's just Trump BS.

Hillary and every other presidential candidate for the last 30 years has released their tax returns. Being under audit is not a valid excuse to not release according to the IRS. Maybe his lawyer told him not to because there was damaging information that could show that Trump is a fraud. Warren Buffett, who gets audited as much as Trump and is currently under audit, released his tax returns to show there is no issue with doing so. Trump is just a liar.

Tying Hillary's email to Trump tax return was a very useful ploy to dupe his followers. It's apples and oranges. Hillary released her tax return, Trump did not. If Trump wanted Hillary's email he should have offered releasing all his corporate emails. That's the equivalent.

Trump lied about releasing his tax returns after the election and again his following yet again make excuses for another of his lies.

The FEC form is very non-specific and does not have the information that would show that Trump isn't worth anywhere near what he claims to be worth.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Nobody that voted for him is concerned with his tax returns. The only people that want to see them are those looking for something, anything that would possibly cause trouble for him. Why on Earth would he provide them with ammunition? I wouldn't either.

Chris B.
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If by Nobody you mean 50% of those who voted for him, then you'd be correct.
 
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