Trump 2.0 would be a catastrophe for the world...

[dudalb]

I think this would be obvious, but several people in the forums here seem almostwelcome a Trump victory because they think that would eman the end of the USA as a major power, and that is a good thing in their minds.
I think they are incredibly ignorant of reality, and are allowing a fashionable contempt for the USA amond certain Euro political factions to overcome there sense of reality.

 

[angrysoba]

I think this would be obvious, but several people in the forums here seem almostwelcome a Trump victory because they think that would eman the end of the USA as a major power, and that is a good thing in their minds.
I think they are incredibly ignorant of reality, and are allowing a fashionable contempt for the USA amond certain Euro political factions to overcome there sense of reality.

Dude, there is not much point lecturing anyone outside the USA about this. We don't got the vote dawg!

Tell this to the idiots in your country who are going to vote Trump that they have to vote Biden instead.

 

[stanfr]

Dude, there is not much point lecturing anyone outside the USA about this. We don't got the vote dawg!

Tell this to the idiots in your country who are going to vote Trump that they have to vote Biden instead.

Giving idiots rational advice is pretty counterproductive. It's not the ones who are going to vote Trump that are the problem, it's the ones who are going to not vote for Biden that are. They need convincing. So yeah, tell them--but since they are (mostly) rational, it also helps to tell the world as well, because if people understand that their country is going to be regarded as a cesspool by much of the rest of the free world, that is incentive for them from keeping it from sinking into that cesspool.

 

[dudalb]

Maybe I did not make my point clear enough,
A few posters here are making like the death of Democracy in the USA would not have much of an impact outside the US. I think they are dead wrong.
Thing about a cesspool is that the disease from it spreads outside the Cesspool.And I hope you like a world were Putin and XI will be the dominant powers.

 

[angrysoba]

Maybe I did not make my point clear enough,
A few posters here are making like the death of Democracy in the USA would not have much of an impact outside the US. I think they are dead wrong.
Thing about a cesspool is that the disease from it spreads outside the Cesspool.And I hope you like a world were Putin and XI will be the dominant powers.

I've been saying for a while now that Biden does not look like he's going to make it. People here, and maybe you did this too, told me that there was nothing wrong with him. He's fine; just a little older but otherwise mentally sharp, etc...

Now that you watched the debate it seems the penny has dropped for you too! Now you realize that I and other people watching it. Suddenly you are pointing fingers at the people who were right.

If you think that I am happy about this state of affairs you are completely wrong. Don't pretend you are telling me things about Putin and Xi that I don't already know. The people you should be telling this to are your fellow countrymen. They are the only ones who can stop Trump winning.

If I could vote, I would vote for him. But I don't get to do that. So don't wag your finger at me.

 

[dudalb]

I am not wagging it at you.
You seem to understand how bad Trump 2.0 would be for the world in general.A couple of posers here. who I will not name out of fear of the mods...who think it will be no big thing, and seem to like the idea of the US ceasing to be a power on the world stage.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It seems obvious that a second Trump (or Trump-like) term is necessary (but not sufficient) to halt and reverse America's slide into fascism: Trump 1.0 didn't convince enough people, because Biden seem to have reversed many of the worst aspects of Trumpism.

Like all the other failed right-wing governments, Americans have to experience that xenophobia and low taxes for the Rich are not actually going to make their lives better.

Clearly, it will take at least one more Trump term for that message to register.

 

[The Atheist]

I am not wagging it at you.
You seem to understand how bad Trump 2.0 would be for the world in general.A couple of posers here. who I will not name out of fear of the mods...who think it will be no big thing, and seem to like the idea of the US ceasing to be a power on the world stage.

You mean me and maybe others.

As I stated in the other thread, I think you're over-stating the case by a very long way.

Similar things were said when Trump beat Hillary and nothing happened, barring a very weak attempt at overturning the result.

You're the one with the fantasy of Trump destroying America. He will do his four years and leave and no harm will be done.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I guess I agree inasmuch as the damage is already done.

 

[3point14]

I think a second Trump term would be disastrous for most of the world.

Much as I would enjoy a peacefully devolved USA, one that falls to pieces because the American people have been hoodwinked by the American press into electing a dangerous, mentally ill, wannabe dictator, propped up by a SC that applies no more critical thinking to a case than 'which side am I on', is going to be an utter cock-up for the rest of the planet.

Well, except Putin. Putin would love it. Putin probably made it happen, like he probably did with Brexit. Still, best not investigate that, on either side of the pond.

 

[a_unique_person]

It seems obvious that a second Trump (or Trump-like) term is necessary (but not sufficient) to halt and reverse America's slide into fascism: Trump 1.0 didn't convince enough people, because Biden seem to have reversed many of the worst aspects of Trumpism.

Like all the other failed right-wing governments, Americans have to experience that xenophobia and low taxes for the Rich are not actually going to make their lives better.
Clearly, it will take at least one more Trump term for that message to register.

They are experiencing that already. It just makes those Trump blames even more liable for their collective wrath.

 

[Blank]

Can't vote in the US so not much stake on the game here, but my impression just is that if a lazy incompetent narcissistic orangutan can destroy one of the oldest democracies in the world, maybe the foundations are not that strong.

He will cause max.4 years of facepalming and international embarrassment, sure.. But destroy Democracy and other scaremongering? He'll spend the years golfing and basking in the admiration of his henchmen but in the end get nothing done.. Destroying something takes effort and Trump sure as hell isn't going to put out any.

 

[3point14]

Can't vote in the US so not much stake on the game here, but my impression just is that if a lazy incompetent narcissistic orangutan can destroy one of the oldest democracies in the world, maybe the foundations are not that strong.

He will cause max.4 years of facepalming and international embarrassment, sure..

And four years worth of completely ******* the battle for climate change, four years worth of shattering international relations left right and centre, four years of further dividing the American people.

How long do you think all of that will take to fix? A damn site longer than four years, I would bet.

But destroy Democracy and other scaremongering? He'll spend the years golfing and basking in the admiration of his henchmen but in the end get nothing done.. Destroying something takes effort and Trump sure as hell isn't going to put out any.

I think your outlook is way too optimistic.

 

[Samson]

I think this would be obvùious, but several people in the forums here seem almostwelcome a Trump victory because they think that would eman the end of the USA as a major power, and that is a good thing in their minds.
I think they are incredibly ignorant of reality, and are allowing a fashionable contempt for the USA amond certain Euro political factions to overcome there sense of reality.

Everyone I know says never underestimate America.
It is absurd to worry.
If Heather Mac Donald fails with her message, then Stephen Pinker will explain.

 

[a_unique_person]

Can't vote in the US so not much stake on the game here, but my impression just is that if a lazy incompetent narcissistic orangutan can destroy one of the oldest democracies in the world, maybe the foundations are not that strong.

He will cause max.4 years of facepalming and international embarrassment, sure.. But destroy Democracy and other scaremongering? He'll spend the years golfing and basking in the admiration of his henchmen but in the end get nothing done.. Destroying something takes effort and Trump sure as hell isn't going to put out any.

I agree this has been coming. The years of abusing Democracy and the massive monetary inequalities have been waiting for an opportunistic populist like Trump to take advantage of the system.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

He will cause max.4 years of facepalming and international embarrassment, sure..

It's more than that.

Women's rights went back 50 years and that happened after Trump left office - but it was the result of 2(?) supreme court judges he appointed.

Believe or not, presidents actions have consequence that linger on.



And international embarrassment? On a normal day that's "fine".
But when Russia is fighting Ukraine, China and Taiwan are heating up, North and South Korea are heating up, the EU is on the verge of collapse and was there something else? Oh, right, the middle east is on fire. No biggie.

Any "embarrassment" on international circuits could mean the death of millions here and with repercussions for ages.



Now I'm not saying Trump is going to kill millions or Biden will save them.
But I think it's literally impossible for the next US president to not be crucial part in whatever is coming.



But if we are talking Trump directly, his whole legal proceedings alone is enough of nightmare situation that you don't want to see what happens when he is actually in office and still have to go through with it.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

It's taken most of my lifetime, but the destruction of the foundations is finally complete enough that one lazy incompetent narcissistic orangutan can destroy one of the oldest democracies in the world by simply shifting his weight.

 

[TragicMonkey]

He will cause max.4 years of facepalming and international embarrassment, sure.. But destroy Democracy and other scaremongering? He'll spend the years golfing and basking in the admiration of his henchmen but in the end get nothing done.. Destroying something takes effort and Trump sure as hell isn't going to put out any.

I think the real danger here is applied regality theory: one of the easiest ways to maintain an autocratic rule is to get involved in a war. A population who fights (real or perceived) outside enemies is more amenable to accepting losses of previous liberties and democractic checks and balances. A US slouching towards dictatorship might start a war in order to keep itself together.

 

[3point14]

I think the real danger here is applied regality theory: one of the easiest ways to maintain an autocratic rule is to get involved in a war. A population who fights (real or perceived) outside enemies is more amenable to accepting losses of previous liberties and democractic checks and balances. A US slouching towards dictatorship might start a war in order to keep itself together.

"We have always been at war with eastasia"

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I believe we have left the Rubicon far behind: the kind of support of Republicans in Congress and the Judiciary for a violent attack on Congress, with people getting killed and cops getting brutally attacked, shows that we have left ideas of law and order, propriety, democracy and respect for the Transfer of Power far behind us.

It doesn't really matter what happens next, as the path to fascism has already been chosen.