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Trump 2.0 won't be as bad as they say

Venom said:
Trump definitely isn't puppet material. His own would-be handlers fear him.

Vance will be a good Deep State puppet though, the real Deep State, the rightwingers trying to overturn our system.
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Oh, I'm sure Putin has his ways to control Trump. There is, likely, a lot of very damning compromat that Putin has. This is the type of compromat that no amount of MAGA lying could mitigate and so awful that the SCOTUS wouldn't try to find a way to weasel Trump out of it.
 
bigred said:
Make no mistake: whoever wins, the extremist village idiots will be out in force rioting. Conservative idiots, liberal idiots, just two sides of the same worthless coin. Welcome to today. Be afraid.
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Nonsense. The political violence is vastly more prominent from the right. This is a fact.
 
jt512 said:
I love the way leftists try to hand-wave away counterarguments by labeling them "talking points." At least the ploy is transparent.
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Huh, so you just made another talking point with no basis in reality. Nice.
 
bigred said:
Not half as tired as I am of people like you pretending it didn't happen or deflecting accountability. I know I'm dreaming, but I wish people like you would join the rest of us in this thing called reality. PS/FYI it wasn't just a "summer thing."
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Yours was just a stupid comment. It's like saying the Rodney King rioters were 'far left extremists'. Do you really believe that?

What disgusts us non 'leftists' who do lean 'liberal' on most issues is the proliferation of "good people on both sides" nonsense.

Every other day, I get to watch goons in dozens of trucks, completely smothered in flags displaying obscene insults directed at Democrats/the left/anyone sane drive down the street en masse, egging on the people in town to react to their pumped fists and show of force. It's ******* madness. I do *not* see *anything* remotely similar to this lunacy from anyone or anything from the 'left' in this very purple state of mine. It simply aint there, because the resident 'extreme leftists' either don't exist or aren't interested in being defiantly violent. One side *does* have a monopoly on that.
 
Chanakya said:
Democracy, even as solid and well-entrenched a system of democracy as in the US, is far, far, far more fragile than some here seem to think.

Who would have imagined, before it actually happened, that a sitting President denying his loss in elections might ever call that a lie, quite seriously not jokingly, and that he'd keep on doing that? That so many would literally believe him when he said that? That people might actually try to run a coup, no matter how buffoonishly?

Who would have imagined, before it actually happened, that an ex-Prez, and a candidate for the next slot, would sit there and discuss turning dictator for a day? That he could talk about going after everyone who thinks is at present against him, should he get elected again? That he could actually talk about "some good things there that I support, and some bad things there I don't support, not that I know anything at all about it" when talking about as vile a thing as Project 2025? And, most importantly: that this vileness wouldn't immediately be rejected by his own, but actually supported all the way by many, and supported enough not to boot him out by the rest?

Of course no one can see the future. That goes without saying. No one can claim anything at all with certitude. But it is a fact that, astonishingly, Trump has already brought US democracy down many notches down below what was ever thought possible. And without a shadow of a doubt, there is a very real possibility that should he get in again, then democracy will be further brought down to its knees. Might it go out the window altogether, like Project 2025 envisages? That's the extreme bad, so probably not --- but who knows? The point is, democracy has already been hurt, already, much more than anyone imagined was possible. And next time, if Trump gets in, then it's a fair bet that it will be hurt much more. I don't see how there can be any doubt about it.

Might things turn out better than the very worst that can be imagined? Sure it they might. Likely enough they might. Why even ask that question? In any scenario envisaged, about anything, likelihood usually rests between the two extreme edges, not along one of the extremes.
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Excellent post.

What Trump may do in a second term can be reliably based on what he did in his first term and what he says he'll do in his second term. Add how he has deteriorated cognitively, how he'll surround himself with only "yes men", have no constraints about getting elected again, and the SC's recent immunity decision, and we have a recipe for disaster.
 
bigred said:
LOL

And now the reality version:

Is your child a far-left extremist? Look for warning signs:

- Expresses concern only for black people (OOPS "people of color"...because white isn't a color)
- Expresses concern about the possibility of true equality and revels in the current political climate of white guilt liberal lunacy
- Expresses concern about a lack of acceptance of the current facist liberal political climate
- Accepting of anyone who is black, LGBetcetcwhatever, and isn't "religious" - screw those other SOBs
- Wishes for a world where so-called "oppressed" people are given not equal but preferential treatment
- Takes an interest in (OK who are we kidding...has an obsession with) self-righteous hissy fits, with extra emphasis on using the almighty race card like a six-shooter
- Talks about "solving" various "injustices" in society via riots and general militant attitudes
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I had that combination in my bingo card, thanks.

Meanwhile Trump has Fascist fascist supporters which are significantly worse than whatever you think "liberal fascists" are, even if they exist.
 
bigred said:
Not half as tired as I am of people like you pretending it didn't happen or deflecting accountability. I know I'm dreaming, but I wish people like you would join the rest of us in this thing called reality. PS/FYI it wasn't just a "summer thing."
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jt512 said:
I love the way leftists try to hand-wave away counterarguments by labeling them "talking points." At least the ploy is transparent.
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The left condemns political violence. The right has made it part of their brand.

That is the inconvenient distinction that MAGA apologists always ignore.
 
Venom said:
Against the left "just as bad" as the right narrative in 2024? Sure I'll keep calling it a talking point, because ya'll will continue to hang onto the few riots among a largely peaceful movement in response to a guy getting tortured to death in one year of the last decade in which rightwing movements have exceeded left in size and scope and violent rhetoric and incidents.
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Recipe for a left wing riot: Send in police in riot gear with rubber bullets and tear gas to antagonize them into physical confrontation.

Recipe for a right wing riot: Put police between them and an election result they don’t like.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, there is no such thing as evil on the left.
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that's the thing, i would say most of the things you worry about the extreme left doing aren't happening. at this point, the evil is mostly theoretical. and while i appreciate there's enough people out there to remind us of that in every discussion about the pretty real dangers of the extreme right gaining a lot of power in the government, i can see the other perspective that it's kind of annoying.
 
dirtywick said:
that's the thing, i would say most of the things you worry about the extreme left doing aren't happening. at this point, the evil is mostly theoretical. and while i appreciate there's enough people out there to remind us of that in every discussion about the pretty real dangers of the extreme right gaining a lot of power in the government, i can see the other perspective that it's kind of annoying.
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Ithink I have made it clear I cosnider, at least in the US the right to be a far, far,far greater threat.
Is is just the refusal of some to admit evil can exist on the left I find annoyning.
THat list you link to is a good example.
 
dudalb said:
SO there is no evil on the left?
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None whatsoever--Jesus, the ultimate commie, created us as pure as the Virgin Mary and we are incapable of sin, which as you know is objectively defined by whatever Jesus says is evil. :)
 
bigred said:
LOL

And now the reality version:

Is your child a far-left extremist? Look for warning signs:

- Expresses concern only for black people (OOPS "people of color"...because white isn't a color)- Expresses concern about the possibility of true equality and revels in the current political climate of white guilt liberal lunacy
- Expresses concern about a lack of acceptance of the current facist liberal political climate
- Accepting of anyone who is black, LGBetcetcwhatever, and isn't "religious" - screw those other SOBs
- Wishes for a world where so-called "oppressed" people are given not equal but preferential treatment
- Takes an interest in (OK who are we kidding...has an obsession with) self-righteous hissy fits, with extra emphasis on using the almighty race card like a six-shooter
- Talks about "solving" various "injustices" in society via riots and general militant attitudes
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The fact that five out of seven of your fantasy list are directed at non-Caucasians and the LGBTQ community is quite revealing. One might infer there's some racism and bigotry involved.

The use of "fascist liberal" reveals an ignorance of what "fascist" means and what "liberal" mean. You might want to do a little research and look up the definition of both terms. Oh, who am I kidding? You won't so I'll do it for you:

Fascism: "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

Hmmm...sounds a lot like what Trump and is supporters advocate.

Liberalism: "A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority."
 
dudalb said:
Ithink I have made it clear I cosnider, at least in the US the right to be a far, far,far greater threat.
Is is just the refusal of some to admit evil can exist on the left I find annoyning.
THat list you link to is a good example.
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idk it just doesn't seem like important enough of a point to be belaboring over and over. but if it annoys you, fair enough, i can understand that.
 
jimbob said:
I had that combination in my bingo card, thanks.

Meanwhile Trump has Fascist fascist supporters which are significantly worse than whatever you think "liberal fascists" are, even if they exist.
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I find both these list to be asinine, frankly.
 
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