Trump 2.0 won't be as bad as they say

[dudalb]

The other thing is that the Trump forced might just be too stupid to pull off a dictatorship.
That is one difference; Tha Nazis, as evil as they were, were a lot smarter.

 

[arthwollipot]

The right is far more an immediate danger, but the left has it's share of extremists. Both are bad news. And so far, the left wing extremists have not made much progress in making themsleves a power in the Demoratic party, (though they make a lot of noise) but the exremiest in the GOP Have taken over.

[imgw=400]https://i.imgur.com/5s6FDfE.jpeg[/imgw]

 

[Regnad Kcin]

The right wing idiots are much more dangerous then the left wing idiots, though that might change.
You don't have a large number of left wing idiots who want a dictatorship like you do on the right. though I am concerned about that some of the hard left seem to be taking the authoratarian path. But they are not a clear and present danger the way the right is.
ANd, yes, I get annoyed on the way some here seem to want to deny there are some pretty radical people on the political left.

Drink!

 

[Chanakya]

I am truing to avoid being a Pollyanna like the OP here, and being apocaluyptic like some here. But I think Democracy is not as easy to kill..at least in the US...as some here think.

Democracy, even as solid and well-entrenched a system of democracy as in the US, is far, far, far more fragile than some here seem to think.

Who would have imagined, before it actually happened, that a sitting President denying his loss in elections might ever call that a lie, quite seriously not jokingly, and that he'd keep on doing that? That so many would literally believe him when he said that? That people might actually try to run a coup, no matter how buffoonishly?

Who would have imagined, before it actually happened, that an ex-Prez, and a candidate for the next slot, would sit there and discuss turning dictator for a day? That he could talk about going after everyone who thinks is at present against him, should he get elected again? That he could actually talk about "some good things there that I support, and some bad things there I don't support, not that I know anything at all about it" when talking about as vile a thing as Project 2025? And, most importantly: that this vileness wouldn't immediately be rejected by his own, but actually supported all the way by many, and supported enough not to boot him out by the rest?

Of course no one can see the future. That goes without saying. No one can claim anything at all with certitude. But it is a fact that, astonishingly, Trump has already brought US democracy down many notches down below what was ever thought possible. And without a shadow of a doubt, there is a very real possibility that should he get in again, then democracy will be further brought down to its knees. Might it go out the window altogether, like Project 2025 envisages? That's the extreme bad, so probably not --- but who knows? The point is, democracy has already been hurt, already, much more than anyone imagined was possible. And next time, if Trump gets in, then it's a fair bet that it will be hurt much more. I don't see how there can be any doubt about it.

Might things turn out better than the very worst that can be imagined? Sure it they might. Likely enough they might. Why even ask that question? In any scenario envisaged, about anything, likelihood usually rests between the two extreme edges, not along one of the extremes.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

[imgw=400]https://i.imgur.com/5s6FDfE.jpeg[/imgw]

Wish I could nominate that.

 

[johnny karate]

The right is far more an immediate danger, but the left has it's share of extremists. Both are bad news. And so far, the left wing extremists have not made much progress in making themsleves a power in the Demoratic party, (though they make a lot of noise) but the exremiest in the GOP Have taken over.

No one here has ever denied that extremism exists in the left. And considering what you say in the second half of your post, I’m not sure what utility there is in pointing out it’s existence.

 

[dirtywick]

it's superficially fair to bring up the extreme left, lest you forget they exist while the extreme right has taken over half the government and are powerless to stop their demented buffoon presidential candidate from dancing on live tv for nearly an hour because he can't form coherent sentences anymore.

 

[Venom]

Name some names, please.

So, I want to make sure that we can say, “We’re a Christian nation”

And my viewpoint is mostly that I would probably be Christian nation-ism. That’s pretty close to Christian nationalism.

We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.

Also I believe it was Roberts as well who said explicitly that the U.S. was founded on liberal assumptions which need to be upended. Google Search is ******* broken and I cannot find the quote or any reference to it.

Something tells me if it was communists saying this stuff you'd be twice as alarmed as you already are. Many of these goons are former appointed officials.

 

[bigred]

Yes, both sides are exactly the same. There are no distinctions. I’m so edgy and cool.

Bully for you; you go girlfriend!

The right wing idiots are much more dangerous then the left wing idiots,

Sure they are. You lived on the moon in 2020 I take it?

 

[Venom]

Sure they are. You lived on the moon in 2020 I take it?

Tired of this summer 2020 nonsense talking point.

That wasn't an explicitly left-wing cause, shouldn't have been. Lines got drawn that way because one side didn't give af about the victim because he was black and on drugs (for the opposite effect, see opioid crisis). The demonstrations across the country were mostly peaceful and you know this.

Do you want to consider the lunatic Trumper mail bomber? Whitmer kidnapping plot? January 6? All explicitly political incidents designed for mass disruption/destruction. I'd say that makes rightwingers a tad more dangerous at the moment. And don't the jackasses you defend always brag about having more guns and using them against leftists and showing up armed to rallies?

 

[bigred]

[imgw=400]https://i.imgur.com/5s6FDfE.jpeg[/imgw]

LOL

And now the reality version:

Is your child a far-left extremist? Look for warning signs:

- Expresses concern only for black people (OOPS "people of color"...because white isn't a color)
- Expresses concern about the possibility of true equality and revels in the current political climate of white guilt liberal lunacy
- Expresses concern about a lack of acceptance of the current facist liberal political climate
- Accepting of anyone who is black, LGBetcetcwhatever, and isn't "religious" - screw those other SOBs
- Wishes for a world where so-called "oppressed" people are given not equal but preferential treatment
- Takes an interest in (OK who are we kidding...has an obsession with) self-righteous hissy fits, with extra emphasis on using the almighty race card like a six-shooter
- Talks about "solving" various "injustices" in society via riots and general militant attitudes

 

[bigred]

Tired of this summer 2020 nonsense talking point.

Not half as tired as I am of people like you pretending it didn't happen or deflecting accountability. I know I'm dreaming, but I wish people like you would join the rest of us in this thing called reality. PS/FYI it wasn't just a "summer thing."

 

[bigred]

Do you want to consider the lunatic Trumper mail bomber? Whitmer kidnapping plot? January 6? All explicitly political incidents designed for mass disruption/destruction. I'd say that makes rightwingers a tad more dangerous at the moment. And don't the jackasses you defend always brag about having more guns and using them against leftists and showing up armed to rallies?

ah the new math again: two wrongs make a right!

PS I hate to break it to you, but I have never defended the right-wingers involved in the 6 Jan thing. But again, you're not clearly interested in facts or reality (gee there's something new from a left-winger), so not wasting any more time responding to your glaring idiocy.

 

[Venom]

Not half as tired as I am of people like you pretending it didn't happen or deflecting accountability. I know I'm dreaming, but I wish people like you would join the rest of us in this thing called reality. PS/FYI it wasn't just a "summer thing."

I don't deflect accountability. At the time in the very thread I was just as mad at the riots as I was about Floyd's death.

 

[Venom]

ah the new math again: two wrongs make a right!

PS I hate to break it to you, but I have never defended the right-wingers involved in the 6 Jan thing. But again, you're not clearly interested in facts or reality (gee there's something new from a left-winger), so not wasting any more time responding to your glaring idiocy.

The side convo in this thread I'm responding to is leftwing vs rightwing violence. Rightwingers have and are engaging in dangerous rhetoric and actions by enabling Trump and his goons and barely saying a word of criticism against him.

 

[Darat]

No one here has ever denied that extremism exists in the left. And considering what you say in the second half of your post, I’m not sure what utility there is in pointing out it’s existence.

The issue in the USA is that what was far right extremism is now the mainstream politics of the Republican party. The same has not happened for far left extremism, that hasn't become the mainstream politics of the Democrat party, the Democrat party remains a right wing party.

The overton window has moved to the far right, an ex-President and candidate for one of the two mainstream parties has talked about using the USA military against those that he identifies as the enemy within, from the context when he made that comment he was refering to the likes of those that run the elections in the USA, that deal with immigrants, people who report on him and so on.

It is hard to think of what far right extremism that is not now part of mainstream Republican politics would mean in the USA.

 

[jt512]

Tired of this summer 2020 nonsense talking point.

I love the way leftists try to hand-wave away counterarguments by labeling them "talking points." At least the ploy is transparent.

 

[angrysoba]

And Civil War 2 starts.There will come a point when even a lot of rank and file Republicans will balk.

Dude, I made a thread for that!

https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372534

 

[Venom]

I love the way leftists try to hand-wave away counterarguments by labeling them "talking points." At least the ploy is transparent.

Against the left "just as bad" as the right narrative in 2024? Sure I'll keep calling it a talking point, because ya'll will continue to hang onto the few riots among a largely peaceful movement in response to a guy getting tortured to death in one year of the last decade in which rightwing movements have exceeded left in size and scope and violent rhetoric and incidents.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

LOL

And now the reality version:

Is your child a far-left extremist? Look for warning signs:

- Expresses concern only for black people (OOPS "people of color"...because white isn't a color)
- Expresses concern about the possibility of true equality and revels in the current political climate of white guilt liberal lunacy
- Expresses concern about a lack of acceptance of the current facist liberal political climate
- Accepting of anyone who is black, LGBetcetcwhatever, and isn't "religious" - screw those other SOBs
- Wishes for a world where so-called "oppressed" people are given not equal but preferential treatment
- Takes an interest in (OK who are we kidding...has an obsession with) self-righteous hissy fits, with extra emphasis on using the almighty race card like a six-shooter
- Talks about "solving" various "injustices" in society via riots and general militant attitudes

The “reality” version.