True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

[pandamonk]

But you should really post your religious non views about your so-called god on the religious board, this is more about true skeptics versus false skeptics and how this discussion board has switched them around, so that they try to say true skeptics don;t believe in conspiracies and just accept everything that their loving benign governments tell their citizens.

And you should also post your religious views about your God on the religious board. Please remove all Bible quotes etc!

Paul views are far from religious. And he doesn't believe in any "so-called" god. He is attack your god! Your God surely can defend himself. And if he is talking to me 24/7 then he should speak up, cause i can't hear him. That is not outwith his power! He doesn't, so i can conclude that he either doesn't want me, or isn't there in the first place. If you want him to find me, have a word with him and suggest he speak up, in a way understandable for me. If I still do not hear him, then you must accept that i have good reason not to believe in him.

 

[pandamonk]

Hokulele, you didn;t atch it. he is a honourable atheist. Some of they do exist, you know. Some just haven't discovered truths, but the honourable ones search and seek them out. He is a true SKEPTIC, exactly what this thread is about.

He is learning to stand for something, and has found a connection between music, his love and how it literally physically promotes growth in plants.

This discovery thru personal EXPERIMENTATION and EXPERIENCE can have started him on a much greater QUEST in discovering greater CAUSES AND EFFECTS.

He has a good chance in piecing together life and love and harmony.

He didn't play mind games but opnned up His mind and tested the theory, and proved the theory and had an experience.

He with such an enquiring mind, can then discover the difference between truths and lies, and uncover conspiracies and even find the Lord of all cuases and effects.

He's my kind of athiest, and honest one who just needs some experience and help in starting his experiments and JOURNEY.

What you don't understand DJJ, is that we are all like this guy. We all test everything you tell us to, to the best of our ability(ie. we look for the book, but just can't find info on it cause you won't even tell us the name etc!!). We are all testing everything you say, and have concluded that much of what you say is complete dribble. We show you our findings, but you ignore them. You are the one who does not search. You are the one who does not experiment. You are the one who does not seak the truth, and just blindly accepts what your "lord" is written to say! And don't tell me that i should post this is the religious board, because it was you who brought up the lord in this board!!!

Lee

 

[Davidjayjordan]

And you should also post your religious views about your God on the religious board. Please remove all Bible quotes etc!

Paul views are far from religious. And he doesn't believe in any "so-called" god. He is attack your god! Your God surely can defend himself. And if he is talking to me 24/7 then he should speak up, cause i can't hear him. That is not outwith his power! He doesn't, so i can conclude that he either doesn't want me, or isn't there in the first place. If you want him to find me, have a word with him and suggest he speak up, in a way understandable for me. If I still do not hear him, then you must accept that i have good reason not to believe in him.

yes Panda, you are deaf and that's why you are dumb.

AGREED !!

There literally may not be any hope for you. You havehardened your heart and your motivation is hardly pure.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

What you don't understand DJJ, is that we are all like this guy. We all test everything you tell us to, to the best of our ability(ie. we look for the book, but just can't find info on it cause you won't even tell us the name etc!!). We are all testing everything you say, and have concluded that much of what you say is complete dribble. We show you our findings, but you ignore them. You are the one who does not search. You are the one who does not experiment. You are the one who does not seak the truth, and just blindly accepts what your "lord" is written to say! And don't tell me that i should post this is the religious board, because it was you who brought up the lord in this board!!!

Lee

The shocking part is that you false skeptics are afraid to test anything, You are fearful of any truths and so hid away in false skepticism so you can deny everything. That's why you don;t progress and can sit in your church pews so comfortably and smugly.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

My concern is that false skeptics are so in denial, they can never ever function normally as independant thinkers. their false skepticism doesn;t make them skeptical of what their masters and controllers tell them, but makes them accept it without question. these false skeptics as seen HERE, adamantly refuse to study and discern the facts and what really happenned, just so they can sit and do nothing and yet feel self righteous about themselves. They seem to want to think they are superior than those that have found truths, just like a bunch of pew sitting church people. They are absolutely petrified to sit outside the status quo and SEARCH and find answers. You would have thought the opposite true, but NO< this discussion board of mainly false skeptics refuses to connect up any area of life with any other area of life and refuses to find answers, so they can smugly try to say there are no answers except what their governments tell them are answers.

Its amazing, I would not have believed this until I saw it displayed HERE in their real unreal lives and writings.

 

[pandamonk]

yes Panda, you are deaf and that's why you are dumb.

AGREED !!

There literally may not be any hope for you. You havehardened your heart and your motivation is hardly pure.

Surely God could still get through to the deaf and dumb. He is all powerful, he can do anything. He could get into my mind and talk to me, but he doesn't.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

The shocking part is that you false skeptics are afraid to test anything, You are fearful of any truths and so hid away in false skepticism so you can deny everything. That's why you don;t progress and can sit in your church pews so comfortably and smugly.

My concern is that false skeptics are so in denial, they can never ever function normally as independant thinkers. their false skepticism doesn;t make them skeptical of what their masters and controllers tell them, but makes them accept it without question. these false skeptics as seen HERE, adamantly refuse to study and discern the facts and what really happenned, just so they can sit and do nothing and yet feel self righteous about themselves. They seem to want to think they are superior than those that have found truths, just like a bunch of pew sitting church people. They are absolutely petrified to sit outside the status quo and SEARCH and find answers. You would have thought the opposite true, but NO< this discussion board of mainly false skeptics refuses to connect up any area of life with any other area of life and refuses to find answers, so they can smugly try to say there are no answers except what their governments tell them are answers.

Its amazing, I would not have believed this until I saw it displayed HERE in their real unreal lives and writings.

this is about the best example of unintentional irony i have ever seen

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

My concern is that false skeptics are so in denial, they can never ever function normally as independant thinkers. their false skepticism doesn;t make them skeptical of what their masters and controllers tell them, but makes them accept it without question. these false skeptics as seen HERE, adamantly refuse to study and discern the facts and what really happenned, just so they can sit and do nothing and yet feel self righteous about themselves. They seem to want to think they are superior than those that have found truths, just like a bunch of pew sitting church people. They are absolutely petrified to sit outside the status quo and SEARCH and find answers. You would have thought the opposite true, but NO< this discussion board of mainly false skeptics refuses to connect up any area of life with any other area of life and refuses to find answers, so they can smugly try to say there are no answers except what their governments tell them are answers.

Its amazing, I would not have believed this until I saw it displayed HERE in their real unreal lives and writings.

Dear:

[ ] Clueless Newbie [ ] Lamer [ ] Flamer
[ ] Loser [ ] Spammer [ ] Troller
[ ] "Me too" er [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek
[ ] Freak [ ] Nerd [ ] Elvis
[ ] Racist [ ] Fed [ ] Freak
[ ] Fundamentalist [ ] Satanist [ ] Homeopath
[X] Unbearably self-righteous person


I took exception to your recent:

[ ] Email [X] Post to JREF Forums.
(newsgroup)

It was (check all that apply):

[ ] Lame [ ] Stupid [ ] Abusive
[ ] Clueless [ ] Idiotic [ ] Brain-damaged
[ ] Imbecilic [X] Arrogant [ ] Malevolent
[ ] Contemptible [ ] Libelous [ ] Ignorant
[X] Clueless [ ] Stupid [X] Fundamentalist
[X] Boring [ ] Dim [ ] Cowardly
[ ] Deceitful [ ] Demented [X] Self-righteous
[ ] Crazy [ ] Weird [ ] Hypocritical
[ ] Loathsome [ ] Satanic [ ] Despicable
[X] Belligerent [ ] Mind-numbing [ ] Maladroit
[ ] Much longer than any worthwhile thought of which you may be capable.



Your attention is drawn to the fact that:

[ ] You posted what should have been emailed
[ ] You obviously don't know how to read your newsgroups line
[ ] You are trying to make money on a non-commercial newsgroup
[X] You self-righteously impose your religious beliefs on others
[ ] You self-righteously impose your racial beliefs on others
[ ] You posted a binary in a non-binaries group
[ ] You don't know which group to post in
[X] You posted something totally uninteresting
[ ] You crossposted to *way* too many newsgroups
[X] I don't like your tone of voice
[ ] What you posted has been done before.
[ ] Not only that, it was also done better the last time.
[ ] You quoted an *entire* post in your reply
[X] You started a long, stupid thread
[X] You continued spreading a long stupid thread
[ ] Your post is absurdly off topic for where you posted it
[ ] You posted a followup to crossposted robot-generated spam
[ ] You posted a "test" in a discussion group rather than in alt.test
[ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message
[ ] You posted low-IQ flamebait
[ ] You posted a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You followed up to a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You said "me too" to something
[X] You make no sense
[ ] Your sig/alias is dreadful
[ ] You must have spent your life in a skinner box to be this clueless.
[ ] You posted a phone-sex ad
[ ] You posted a stupid pyramid money making scheme
[ ] You claimed a pyramid-scheme/chain letter for money was legal
[ ] Your margin settings (or lack of) make your post unreadable. Each line
just goes on and on, not stopping at 75 characters, making it hard to read.
[ ] You posted in ELitE CaPitALs to look k0OwL
[ ] You posted a message in ALL CAPS, and you don't even own a TRS-80
[ ] Your post was FULL of RANDOM CAPS for NO APPARENT REASON
[ ] You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of this newsgroup.
[ ] You have greatly misunderstood the purpose of the Internet.
[ ] You are a loser.
[X] This has been pointed out to you before.
[ ] You didn't do anything specific, but appear to be so generally
worthless that you are being flamed on general principles.


It is recommended that you:

[ ] Get a clue
[ ] Get a life
[ ] Go away
[ ] Grow up
[ ] Never post again
[ ] Read every newsgroup you posted to for a week
[ ] stop reading Usenet news and get a life
[ ] stop sending Email and get a life
[ ] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it
[X] Have your medication adjusted
[ ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor
[ ] find a volcano and throw yourself in
[ ] get a gun and shoot yourself
[ ] Actually post something relevant
[ ] Read the FAQ
[ ] stick to FidoNet and come back when you've grown up
[X] Apologize to everybody in this newsgroup
[ ] consume excrement
[ ] consume excrement and thus expire
[ ] Post your tests to alt.test/misc.test
[ ] Put your home phone number in your ads from now on
[X] Refrain from posting until you have a vague idea what you're doing


In Closing, I'd Like to Say:

[X] You need to seek psychiatric help
[X] Take your gibberish somewhere else
[ ] *plonk*
[ ] Learn how to post or get off the usenet
[ ] Most of the above
[ ] All of the above
[ ] Some of the above, not including All of the above
[ ] You are so clueless that I didn't even bother filling in this form.

 

[pandamonk]

The shocking part is that you false skeptics are afraid to test anything, You are fearful of any truths and so hid away in false skepticism so you can deny everything. That's why you don;t progress and can sit in your church pews so comfortably and smugly.

No DJJ, we do test everything, and we prove that you are wrong. We may not physically test that music makes plants grow better, but this is due to physical restrictions. But we can see the evidence of othr peoples tests, and can conclude that yes, you are right. But what does that have to do with anything? We cannot test your book story, but we have done to the best of our ability, and as far as we can find, there is nothing to back up what you are saying. We therefore conclude that you were probably lying. I am not fearful of the truth, like i said in my post, it is you who doesn't search, so it is you who is fearful. I do not deny everything, just a hell of a lot of what you say, because it is easily rubbished. I do progress, and i don't go to church.

 

[Athyrio]

They seem to want to think they are superior than those that have found truths, just like a bunch of pew sitting church people.

Truths? Like David Blaine being a sorcerer?

 

[pandamonk]

My concern is that false skeptics are so in denial, they can never ever function normally as independant thinkers. their false skepticism doesn;t make them skeptical of what their masters and controllers tell them, but makes them accept it without question. these false skeptics as seen HERE, adamantly refuse to study and discern the facts and what really happenned, just so they can sit and do nothing and yet feel self righteous about themselves. They seem to want to think they are superior than those that have found truths, just like a bunch of pew sitting church people. They are absolutely petrified to sit outside the status quo and SEARCH and find answers. You would have thought the opposite true, but NO< this discussion board of mainly false skeptics refuses to connect up any area of life with any other area of life and refuses to find answers, so they can smugly try to say there are no answers except what their governments tell them are answers.

Its amazing, I would not have believed this until I saw it displayed HERE in their real unreal lives and writings.

I don't have a master or controller DJJ. It seems that, if we are all atheists like you claim, that you are the only one here with a master/controller. This means that your whole post applies only to you DJJ!

 

[jsfisher]

My concern is that false skeptics are so in denial, they can never ever function normally as independant thinkers. their false skepticism doesn;t make them skeptical of what their masters and controllers tell them, but makes them accept it without question. these false skeptics as seen HERE, adamantly refuse to study and discern the facts and what really happenned, just so they can sit and do nothing and yet feel self righteous about themselves. They seem to want to think they are superior than those that have found truths, just like a bunch of pew sitting church people. They are absolutely petrified to sit outside the status quo and SEARCH and find answers. You would have thought the opposite true, but NO< this discussion board of mainly false skeptics refuses to connect up any area of life with any other area of life and refuses to find answers, so they can smugly try to say there are no answers except what their governments tell them are answers.

This is extreme irony coming from the certifiable liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan.

Interestingly, by his own definition of "false skeptic," the most prominent false skeptic on this forum is the liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan, himself.

By his own definition of "true skeptic," no one here should believe a single word the liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan, says.

Curious how that works.

 

[Gravy]

DJJ, you've obviously hit a wall on these forums, through no fault of your own. Allow me to suggest that you might reach a much wider audience, and perhaps convince many people, if your motivational messages were on video. I know I'd like to see that.

 

[pandamonk]

DJJ, you've obviously hit a wall on these forums, through no fault of your own. Allow me to suggest that you might reach a much wider audience, and perhaps convince many people, if your motivational messages were on video. I know I'd like to see that.

No Gravy!! Don't put ideas in his head...

 

[Paulhoff]

He doesn't, and you are free to go on your way, Paul without thinking about Him.

Not according to your religion, there is no free will, your religions says that if you don't choose right you go to hell, so with punishment there is no free will.

Paul

 

[pandamonk]

Not according to your religion, there is no free will, your religions says that if you don't choose right you go to hell, so with punishment there is no free will.

Paul

Yeah, it's like someone holding a gun to your head and saying do as i say or i'll kill you, but infinitely worse with eternal punishment. Not very fair, or free.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Not according to your religion, there is no free will, your religions says that if you don't choose right you go to hell, so with punishment there is no free will.

Paul

Paul, you surely do have a screwed up religion in your head, no wonder you reject it.

The Lord gives people what they want and DESERVE. people choose their destiny. if they want hell, that's what they get. If they treat people with love and respect including Him, they get heaven now and in the future, even though those for hell make life hell for those that believe in love.

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The Lord is Fair[SIZE=-1]

So many times people accuse the Lord of being unfair. But He isn't !! We only reap what we personnally sow. And He's straight forward, as the Judge and we get exactly what we deserve. If we want the truth, He gives us the truth. If we want a lie, then He allows the devil to lie and give us an alternative.

He doesn't tell anyone lies and doesn't trick them into the wrong decisions. It's their choice which is why He can hold them and us responsible for our choices.

Jacob was tricky. He tricked both his brother, Esau and his father, Isaac, into giving him the birthright that was suppose to belong to the eldest son. But Jacob didn't receive the blessing until he learned honesty by working for somebody even trickier than him….his uncle Laban. (Genesis 28-32) For only then after suffering the consequences of being tricked, was he able to wrestle with the angel and become ISRAEL… a changed man. And then and only then, did he receive the blessing and the inheritance of the Lord and become the father of a mighty nation.

Why because he wanted the truth and wanted the blessing and would take no other from the angel that had the power to bestow it upon him. But if people want a lie, the Lord might be heard saying ….

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Isaiah 6:8 - 10 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us ? Then said I, Here am I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."
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Why, because they loved not the truth and didn't want the truth. So that the Lord can even send them false prophets to prophesize unto them falsely in the name of the Lord. They may be economists, or politicians, or church leaders, but they can be lying if we don't want the truth from the Lord's word and prophets.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]1Kings 22:20 - 23 "And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And in this manner, and another said on that manner.And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him,Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."
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And instead of getting the truth, we shall receive a lie, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]2 Thessalonians 2: 11 - And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]: In other words, if we want flesh, he gives us flesh instead of His Spirit

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Psalm 106:15 And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.
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But He is not to blame, we are !!.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]James 1:13 - 16
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when
he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when
lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when
it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
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For as Jesus said
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]John 8:31 - 32
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]God is Not Tricky[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] but Truthful. We reap exactly what we sow. We won't be reaping some one else's sins or rewards but only our own. Be not deceived, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he reap, for the Lord is FAIR.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Revelation 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song
of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God
Almighty; JUST and TRUE are thy ways, thou King of saints.
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IMO according to scriptures and the truth

David Jay Jordan


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[Davidjayjordan]

This is extreme irony coming from the certifiable liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan.

Interestingly, by his own definition of "false skeptic," the most prominent false skeptic on this forum is the liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan, himself.

By his own definition of "true skeptic," no one here should believe a single word the liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan, says.

Curious how that works.

No I am not a liar, but the majority of you are slanders and defamers and vile and rude.

But Thanks JFISHER for confirming that I have taught you there is a difference between true skeptics and false skeptics, so that now you have a standard by which to discern the difference.... rather than before when you thought all skeptics were true.

real Christians are true skeptics because we wanted the truth in life, and demanded it, and searched for it, and had the courage to accept it when we found it. False skeptics never find any truths to stand on. They are whimps.

You gotta have balls (or ovaries) to be a real Christian.

(SEE Jesus created Sex thread on the Religion Board)

 

[Athyrio]

No I am not a liar...

Chalk another one up on the big board.

 

[jsfisher]

No I am not a liar, but the majority of you are slanders and defamers and vile and rude.

The evidence (which you provided, by the way) says otherwise.

But Thanks JFISHER for confirming that I have taught you there is a difference between true skeptics and false skeptics, so that now you have a standard by which to discern the difference....

Fascinating. You are agreeing with my statement, "by his own definition of 'false skeptic,' the most prominent false skeptic on this forum is the liar and false prophet, Davidjayjordan, himself."

I think that sums it up nicely.