True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

[chipmunk stew]

You don't understant. The 9/11 commission report did not fail because of lies it included.

Rather, it just didn't answer many important questions:

- what about the july 11 metting between Rice and Tenet?

What about it?

- What about N. Mineta's accout?

You mean the one the commission archived on their website? You mean the one that conflicted with all other accounts? What about it?

- What about WTC7?

You mean that one building among many that suffered collateral damage during the attacks? That one that's being scrutinized by a team of experts so that they can give recommendations on future building codes to make future buildings safer? What about it? What about the other buildings that were damaged or destroyed?

- What about the links between some of the terrorists and the ISI?

What about it? Perhaps we should subpoena some Pakistani intelligence agents and find out more? Oh wait...

- etc....

What about it?

 

[milesalpha]

What did Hitler prove... tell a BIG enough LIE, and you can get away with it and so the governments of this world have yielded to his advice. For the rich and powerful do want to keep their riches and power to the END.... and they will til the Lord intervenes.... and then the false skeptics will howl.

Well you certainly prove you don't know much about Hitler. Remember that university you are afraid of? Try seeing Dr. Maurice Williams there, his field is German history, particularly the political history of 1919-1939. Try something new, like listening to an expert as opposed to those voices in your head.

Should I check for that summary or are you still baffled by the concept?

 

[milesalpha]

Silly me, I went looking for your summary and lo and behold, there isn't one. Such a simple thing is beyond you. In the meantime you screw up Hitler, you make the incredibly stupid, even for you, assumption that because a majority of JREF members don't believe in 2 lunatic conspiracy theories (disappointed you didn't include the Roswell aliens, tha one suits you), they trust the government in all facets. Apparently you are incapable of reading the politics or history forums since such things are discussed at length there. I suppose that would threaten your little fantasy world though, and you don't strike me as a very brave type.

Do carry on though, I imagine most of us will never tire of you using "false skeptics" and "true skeptics" over and over, intermingled with the usual nonsensical blather that you seem to think is intellectual. As I said, you are just a bitter man firing shots all around him because he lacks understanding and it frustrates you, hence you blame it on a boogeyman.

 

[pandamonk]

Why will you not debate me DJJ?

I bet you're feeling mighty ignored aren't you... I doubt he's actualyl looknig for anyone to debate with, he just wants something to moan about. However many solutions you give him, he'll ignore you. He just wants to closemindedly rabble on about his nothingness, for no reason other to annoy us true skeptics .

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I bet you're feeling mighty ignored aren't you... I doubt he's actualyl looknig for anyone to debate with, he just wants something to moan about. However many solutions you give him, he'll ignore you. He just wants to closemindedly rabble on about his nothingness, for no reason other to annoy us true skeptics .

Panda, seeing I know you from another board, and your motivation of trickery for the purpose of seduction, I find you anything but a true skpetic and definitely a FALSE ONE.... and a very deceptive one at that.

You tend to try and trick the naive and gullible for your own selfish needs sake. The trouble is your ploy doesn't always work. Thank the Lord.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Panda, seeing I know you from another board, and your motivation of trickery for the purpose of seduction, I find you anything but a true skpetic and definitely a FALSE ONE.... and a very deceptive one at that.

You tend to try and try the naive and gullible for your own selfish needs sake. The trouble is your ploy doesn't always work. Thank the Lord.

But at the end of the day, DJJ, you have ignored me. You have continued to ignore my repeated requests for you to demonstrate how a "true skeptic" takes part in a "true debate".

 

[Davidjayjordan]

But at the end of the day, DJJ, you have ignored me. You have continued to ignore my repeated requests for you to demonstrate how a "true skeptic" takes part in a "true debate".

A true skeptic looks for and demands answers from what is hidden..

Pro 25:2 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.

He will turn over hell and heaven til he finds the truth or a truth. or he will experiment til he does... as this true skeptic who happenned to be an athiest did..

EXAMPLE just in today..

Hi david,

Yeah the ending of that message was cut off at the end. I read on your
music mysteries page about how classical music can make plants grow faster and taller. At first i thought it must be ******** so i set about doing an experiment to see if its true. I planted hundreds of watercress shoots
into separate pots which were labelled. Then i set one as the control
(without any music played to them), one set which i played rock music to and another with classical music. I did this for about a week until the shoots stopped growing.It was for my IB maths project so i did statistical analysis on my results. Turns out that in fact the classical does grow taller and faster whilst the rock grows shorter and slower than the control. I was completely stoked to find this actually works. Personally, i'm an athiest and so i was inherently quite skeptical about many of the things on your webpages yet i must say, this field of biomusicology seems to hold some truth. However, in the wider sense, my experiment being so small scaled and as a private investigation cannot prove your theory. I had hoped that some scientists would've actually done some research in this field but i found nothing on it, the only stuff being related to the effects of music on humans and animals, not plants.

Anyways, thank you for this idea which i took for my investigation. I hope
it sheds light on the credibility of your theories. if you have time,
i've attached my investigation to this email so that you can just look
through what i did.

cheers

This is an example of a true skeptic that is now a believer that music inscreases reproductivity.... a start to understanding greater mysteries. Amen ? AMEN !!!!!

 

[Hokulele]

Doesn't this belong in the science forum? Anyway, why does this student study diectly contradict your anecdote?

http://www.youth.net/nsrc/ejournals/ejournal.005.html

If you search on plant/music studies, none of them seem to agree. Some plants like no music, some like classical, some like hard rock. Learn some science before you start posting like this.

 

[milesalpha]

A true skeptic looks for and demands answers from what is hidden..

Pro 25:2 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.

He will turn over hell and heaven til he finds the truth or a truth. or he will experiment til he does... as this true skeptic who happenned to be an athiest did..

EXAMPLE just in today..

Hi david,

Yeah the ending of that message was cut off at the end. I read on your
music mysteries page about how classical music can make plants grow faster and taller. At first i thought it must be ******** so i set about doing an experiment to see if its true. I planted hundreds of watercress shoots
into separate pots which were labelled. Then i set one as the control
(without any music played to them), one set which i played rock music to and another with classical music. I did this for about a week until the shoots stopped growing.It was for my IB maths project so i did statistical analysis on my results. Turns out that in fact the classical does grow taller and faster whilst the rock grows shorter and slower than the control. I was completely stoked to find this actually works. Personally, i'm an athiest and so i was inherently quite skeptical about many of the things on your webpages yet i must say, this field of biomusicology seems to hold some truth. However, in the wider sense, my experiment being so small scaled and as a private investigation cannot prove your theory. I had hoped that some scientists would've actually done some research in this field but i found nothing on it, the only stuff being related to the effects of music on humans and animals, not plants.

Anyways, thank you for this idea which i took for my investigation. I hope
it sheds light on the credibility of your theories. if you have time,
i've attached my investigation to this email so that you can just look
through what i did.

cheers

This is an example of a true skeptic that is now a believer that music inscreases reproductivity.... a start to understanding greater mysteries. Amen ? AMEN !!!!!

Absolutely hilarious. Your true skeptic is apparently too stupid to use google which turns up hundreds of articles on music and plant growth (music + plant + growth) with sources ranging from grade school to universities. Congrats, you may have found someone as incapable of critical thought as you are.

 

[Mobyseven]

Dear Ed, is this thread STILL going?

I keep seeing it on the forum page, but I assumed it would be full of kittens by now...will this be the new Christophera?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

A true skeptic looks for and demands answers from what is hidden..

Pro 25:2 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.

He will turn over hell and heaven til he finds the truth or a truth. or he will experiment til he does... as this true skeptic who happenned to be an athiest did..

<snpi>

Plants are not relevant to the debate to which I challenged you.

 

[JonnyFive]

(disappointed you didn't include the Roswell aliens, tha one suits you)

Don't be so quick to judge, oh ye of little faith!

Apparently he believes that aliens are demons, or perhaps will save the world. Or something.

Never, ever underestimate the power of DJJ to believe things. He can believe harder than all of us put together.

Evidence and argumentation, not so good. But belief! Oh, the belief he has!

 

[pandamonk]

Panda, seeing I know you from another board, and your motivation of trickery for the purpose of seduction, I find you anything but a true skpetic and definitely a FALSE ONE.... and a very deceptive one at that.

You tend to try and trick the naive and gullible for your own selfish needs sake. The trouble is your ploy doesn't always work. Thank the Lord.

The alleged "trickery" is in no way related to my skepticism. One may be the most skeptical person and still trick others.

And my trickery is a figment of your overactive, delusional, imagination. We have been over this, but unfortunately you don't listen, so i will not repeat myself over and over yet again.

I suggest you debate with Arkan, as you keep asking for a debate and he is offering one. But in the debate, you MUST listen to what he says, as he listens to what you say. If he asks something, you must answer, as he would with you.

Lee

 

[Belz...]

Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

That's nice, but how can you be sure your judgment is "righteous" and now devil-influenced ?

 

[Paulhoff]

If this so-called god is so powerful and all-knowing, why does he need defenders?

Paul

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Doesn't this belong in the science forum? Anyway, why does this student study diectly contradict your anecdote?

http://www.youth.net/nsrc/ejournals/ejournal.005.html

If you search on plant/music studies, none of them seem to agree. Some plants like no music, some like classical, some like hard rock. Learn some science before you start posting like this.

Hokulele, you didn;t atch it. he is a honourable atheist. Some of they do exist, you know. Some just haven't discovered truths, but the honourable ones search and seek them out. He is a true SKEPTIC, exactly what this thread is about.

He is learning to stand for something, and has found a connection between music, his love and how it literally physically promotes growth in plants.

This discovery thru personal EXPERIMENTATION and EXPERIENCE can have started him on a much greater QUEST in discovering greater CAUSES AND EFFECTS.

He has a good chance in piecing together life and love and harmony.

He didn't play mind games but opnned up His mind and tested the theory, and proved the theory and had an experience.

He with such an enquiring mind, can then discover the difference between truths and lies, and uncover conspiracies and even find the Lord of all cuases and effects.

He's my kind of athiest, and honest one who just needs some experience and help in starting his experiments and JOURNEY.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

If this so-called god is so powerful and all-knowing, why does he need defenders?

Paul

He doesn't, and you are free to go on your way, Paul without thinking about Him. For very possibly the Holy Spirit that speaks 24/7 to people may have given up whispering into your conscience.

But you should really post your religious non views about your so-called god on the religious board, this is more about true skeptics versus false skeptics and how this discussion board has switched them around, so that they try to say true skeptics don;t believe in conspiracies and just accept everything that their loving benign governments tell their citizens.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan
Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Beltz comments ..... That's nice, but how can you be sure your judgment is "righteous" and now devil-influenced .

You test and try everything you say and do by the principles you have tried and proven that are there to give you wisdom and discernment. It takes time BELTZ, Christianity is an active life process where you have to learn by doing and experiencing and choosing.

 

[Belz...]

So, you're saying you DON'T know if your actions are devil-influenced ?

 

[MRC_Hans]

He is learning to stand for something, and has found a connection between music, his love and how it literally physically promotes growth in plants.

Ehr, no. He found that there was NO such connection. Do you have a problem with reading comprension, or did you not bother to read his entire report?

He didn't play mind games but opnned up His mind and tested the theory, and proved the theory and had an experience.

So, you suggest we ALL verify everything through actual experiments?

Hans