Three Professors of Psychiatry call for "neuropsychiatric evaluation"

[The Big Dog]

Hee, the shillaries are still humiliating themselves.

Lolz!

Three whole professors? Jinkies! Hillary truthers, taking down the democrat party with them.

 

[mijopaalmc]

That is undoing the election results.

(And is a terrible precedent )

And if someone had proceed that Obama was not a natural born US citizen, would removing him from office have been undoing the election results?

 

[WilliamSeger]

Huh, if even a neoconservative Republican political commentator like David Frum "gets it" that this isn't even about policy and sore losers, maybe some here can, too:

Trump’s lying about the popular vote has dangerous real-world consequences


1) Trump, a textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, will believe the lies he tells, after he tells them http://samvak.tripod.com/journal75.html


2) Meaning that Trump will live among ego-salving fantasies - a dangerous location for a president of the United States


3) Worse, Trump will surround himself by people who repeat his lies back to him: either a) abject creatives or b) sinister manipulators


4) Worse still: because the conservative media amplify Trump’s lies, the whole conservative world will lose touch with reality


5) Encouraging true believers - and compelling even pragmatists - to act en masse as if the lies were truth.


6) Among other negative consequences, this will encourage reckless political risk-taking by Republicans in Congress


7) It remains true that Republican candidates for president have won the national popular vote only once since 1988: 1 in 7 elections!


8) The party’s agenda is not popular in real-life. That would seem to suggest … caution.


9) Instead, it seems congressional Republicans are about to plunge ahead as if the country were clamoring for their program.
18 replies 103 retweets 200 likes


10) Some congressional Republicans surely know this not to be true. They dare not act on that knowledge


11) In 1965, 1981, 2009, new presidents changed national direction with clear democratic consent.


12) 2017 bids to be as activist as those prior years - but without the clear consent. How will that end? Not well, I fear.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sure. And a coup that destroys 2 centuries of constitutional transfer of power is just "upsetting the applecart ".

You know, there have been important elections before. But the losers were a bit more mature.

I couldn't think of a better metaphor, I agree it wasn't the right one.

Moving back to the issue: You speak of a Constitutional transfer of power, but if outright election fraud were involved, that is not a Constitutional transfer of power.

My guess is if more comes out, or Trump's corruption exceeds all levels of imagination, he'll be installed and then impeached. The GOP will go out of their way to remove any Trump taint from Pence.

 

[mijopaalmc]

I couldn't think of a better metaphor, I agree it wasn't the right one.

Moving back to the issue: You speak of a Constitutional transfer of power, but if outright election fraud were involved, that is not a Constitutional transfer of power.

My guess is if more comes out, or Trump's corruption exceeds all levels of imagination, he'll be installed and then impeached. The GOP will go out of their way to remove any Trump taint from Pence.

Why's Trump's taint on Pence?

 

[Oystein]

If that's all you have noticed about DJT's behavior, or if that's your definition of NPD, perhaps you should have skipped this discussion. But it's not too late to get up to speed:




Not only does DJT fit this profile, it's a fairly complete description of his personality; for example, it also explains his bigotry, misogyny, and sexual assaults.

At best, DJT's incessant lying is a sociopathic way to satisfy several of the narcissist's needs. At worst, his "apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality" could be symptomatic of something even more serious. As I said, that's the part that bothers me the most: Whether he's delusional or consciously and deliberately lying his ass off to manipulate people, he is manifestly unfit for office.

Supposing the diagnosis is correct for Trump.

Has it been asked before in this thread whether or not Narcissistic personality disorder is ordinarily considered grounds to lay off employees or put them on leave until healed? If people with NPD typically keep their jobs, perhaps while also receiving treatment, an argument needs to be provided for why Trump should be kept out of his job.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Why's Trump's taint on Pence?

Well, when two grown men love each other very much....

 

[mijopaalmc]

Well, when two grown men love each other very much....

I was guessing Rule 34.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Why's Trump's taint on Pence?

Do you seriously think if Trump was in collusion with Putin that Pence was completely out of the loop?

 

[Loss Leader]

So what? Seems like you can still answer the question, or are you saying you'd rather not?

What in the world are you on about? In a thread about psychiatrists asking Obama to intervene due to allegations of Trump's mental health, I made a comment about psychiatrists asking Obama to intervene due to allegations of Trump's mental health.

Demanding an opinion from me on the man's diagnosis appears aggressively unproductive.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Supposing the diagnosis is correct for Trump.

Has it been asked before in this thread whether or not Narcissistic personality disorder is ordinarily considered grounds to lay off employees or put them on leave until healed? If people with NPD typically keep their jobs, perhaps while also receiving treatment, an argument needs to be provided for why Trump should be kept out of his job.

It depends on the job. There's no question how bad that is going to be as POTUS.

He cannot admit he was wrong.
He cannot believe he is wrong.
He's impulsive and a compulsive liar.
He's a dishonest con man.
No one can trust anything he says. How does that work when he meets with foreign leaders? No one will have any confidence in his word.
He has ideas of grandeur.

 

[The Big Dog]

What in the world are you on about? In a thread about psychiatrists asking Obama to intervene due to allegations of Trump's mental health, I made a comment about psychiatrists asking Obama to intervene due to allegations of Trump's mental health.

Demanding an opinion from me on the man's diagnosis appears aggressively unproductive.

Yep, writing Obama appears to make this silly stunt even sillier than usual.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Supposing the diagnosis is correct for Trump.

Has it been asked before in this thread whether or not Narcissistic personality disorder is ordinarily considered grounds to lay off employees or put them on leave until healed? If people with NPD typically keep their jobs, perhaps while also receiving treatment, an argument needs to be provided for why Trump should be kept out of his job.

I should think it would depend on the job, and whether or not NPD interferes with properly doing the job. Here, we're talking about a situation where every issue that the most powerful man in the world has to deal with has to first get around or through his highly bloated but extremely fragile ego, his petty vindictiveness, his desperate need to be recognized as "the man," his manipulative dishonesty, his lack of empathy, ... the list goes on.

If Trump's parents had sent him to a therapist when he started acting out instead of military school, there's a good chance it would have helped some. But a 70-year-old man who has spent his entire life in a bubble... it would be a complete waste of time.

 

[WilliamSeger]

What in the world are you on about? In a thread about psychiatrists asking Obama to intervene due to allegations of Trump's mental health, I made a comment about psychiatrists asking Obama to intervene due to allegations of Trump's mental health.

Demanding an opinion from me on the man's diagnosis appears aggressively unproductive.

Sheesh, I thought asking questions was allowed here, but I'll take that as "rather not answer."

 

[TragicMonkey]

I should think it would depend on the job, and whether or not NPD interferes with properly doing the job. Here, we're talking about a situation where every issue that the most powerful man in the world has to deal with has to first get around or through his highly bloated but extremely fragile ego, his petty vindictiveness, his desperate need to be recognized as "the man," his manipulative dishonesty, his lack of empathy, ... the list goes on.

If Trump's parents had sent him to a therapist when he started acting out instead of military school, there's a good chance it would have helped some. But a 70-year-old man who has spent his entire life in a bubble... it would be a complete waste of time.

I think you're being very unfair to him. Let him try the job for a while and we'll see how he does. You never know, Joffrey might---whoops, I mean, Trump might prove to be a wise and rational ruler.

 

[mijopaalmc]

Sheesh, I thought asking questions was allowed here, but I'll take that as "rather not answer."

Or you could consider how silly it is to ask some message board moderator on the internet their opinion the mental health of the president-elect.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Or you could consider how silly it is to ask some message board moderator on the internet their opinion the mental health of the president-elect.

Really? Assuming he lives on planet Earth, it isn't silly to ask a question about anything that just might have some noticeable affect on him. What I'm looking for is what kind of rationalizations and defense mechanisms are being used for ignoring the Boy King's obvious NPD.

 

[mijopaalmc]

Really? Assuming he lives on planet Earth, it isn't silly to ask a question about anything that just might have some noticeable affect on him. What I'm looking for is what kind of rationalizations and defense mechanisms are being used for ignoring the Boy King's obvious NPD.

It is silly when you put some thought into the fact that the average person on the internet is not qualified to make those types of observations.

 

[Ziggurat]

This is an ad-hom. You're attributing their argument not to good faith conclusion based on their view of the evidence, but on the characteristic you're assigning to them. This is an attempt to give your criticism of their argument the appearance of validity, but it doesn't actually address the argument they've put forth.

One might as well dismiss your claims as 'the stages of grief' over the hijacking of your movement and party. It doesn't make what they're arguing false.

Trump really does display ever warning of this disorder. It would take an in person evaluation to determine if he really has this disorder, or if he just plays a brittle narcissist on TV. The people making this determination being liberal, or conservative, or French, doesn't change the merit of this argument.


*Note I'm not defending them sending this letter and publishing it, which I still view as foolish. I'm just defending the arguments therein, and opposing fallacious thinking.

Really? You're not defending the sending of a letter?

Funny thing, though: that's precisely what I was attacking. Note Loss Leader's post.

My post had nothing to do with any possible mental illness. It had to do with the rank stupidity of writing Obama about it.

They're just trying to work through the bargaining phase. Don't interfere with their self-therapy.

So I make fun of them for writing to Obama, you try to defend them for something completely different, while conceding the very point I was actually making. Why on earth would you do that? Are you not paying any attention? Are you really so desperate to prove me wrong that you'll attack me even when you agree with me?

That's just sad. No, I lie: it's also funny. Not quite Hindenburg level, but still.

 

[fuelair]

Well, when two grown men love each other very much....

Well done - you saved me from posting similar!!!!!!