[Thread closed technical problem] 'Proof' of Time Travel

[Cuddles]

Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.

So? I could match every paragraph of Harry Potter to actual historical events. Just because you can claim that a sentence describes something doesn't mean it actually does, and it certainly doesn't mean it was intended to.

 

[Ladewig]

From a total of 942 quatrains, fifty derived over 124 historical matches. This equates to 5.3 percent of the quatrains of Nostradamus generating predictions that were correct and factual to ears after his death.

Five percent really doesn't sound that amazing to me. If one predicts wars and rumors of wars occurring over the next five hundred years, then getting a five percent hit rate seems rather easy.


Do you have a theory as to how Nostradamus got 124 predictions correct? Was he visited by time travellers as well?

 

[Edy_P]

Nostradamus wrote of future events

Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.

So? …Just because you can claim that a sentence describes something doesn't mean it actually does, and it certainly doesn't mean it was intended to.

You seem to be missing the point, or you do not really know about Nostradamus and all his works.

Nostradamus wrote to King Henry of France from Salon on 27th of June, 1558 and said

Nevertheless, I wanted to leave a record in writing of the years, towns, cities and regions in which most of the events will come to pass, even those of the year 1585 and of the year 1606, reckoning from the present time, which is March 14, 1557, and going far beyond to the events which will take place at the beginning of the seventh millenary, when, so far as my pro- found astronomical calculations and other knowledge have been able to make out, the adversaries of Jesus Christ and his Church will begin to multi- ply greatly.

source: http://www.indepthinfo.com/nostradamus/letter.shtml

Nostradamus WAS writing of future events.

I cited 50 quatrains that Geoffrey Ashe confirmed as matching to actual historical events.
Others have matched others.

 

[Edy_P]

Five percent really doesn't sound that amazing to me.

The fact that 124 ‘modern historical events’ (ie. those that occurred after the death of Nostradamus) ARE described in the quatrains – means that Nostradamus DID document ‘future historical events’ in his works.

The percentage number – is only an indication as to how many have so far been confirmed.
Pegg has matched more quatrains to modern historical events and descriptions.

The 5 percent that doesn’t amaze you, was from one researcher, Geoffrey Ashe, who utilized critical criterion being that ‘good’ ones (class A) make at least one prediction that is open to only one single interpretation, and class B quatrains that have fulfilments but where some lines are open to dispute or do not fit the historical event from the other 2 or 3 lines.

Other researchers in their books, such as The Prophecies of Nostradamus by Erika Cheetam, show many more matches – but unfortunately also guesses are included in their works.

The guesses and/or predictions that some researchers made that then did not come about – have given Nostradamus a bad name.
In fact it is those researchers who have chosen the wrong historical event to match to the quatrains, and not that Nostradamus is wrong. Many of those ‘questionable’ or ‘non-matching’ events in quatrains (stated by earlier researchers) had not yet occurred when their books were released.
Now that we are several decades later to when earlier books about Nostradamus were written, more modern events and personages are being located, identified, and matched to the descriptions of Nostradamus.

Do you have a theory as to how Nostradamus got 124 predictions correct? Was he visited by time travellers as well?

He doesn’t say so directly nor indicates time travellers as such, but he describes and documents the contents of at least two cd-roms, one being the Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean. The use of a monitor (magic mirror) and two compact disks (magic circles) are mentioned by the Queen of France, plus a mouse and cable (wand in hand).

Brief introduction regarding the use of a computer and compact disks: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/2007g/nost3.html

Pegg indicates that:
C1q1&2 document the Ancients cd-rom being used by Nostradamus on a cd-tray (saddle in the air). Source: Chapter Nine, Nostradamus Unsealed by Ronald Pegg; and
that Nostradamus has drawn a depiction of the Ancients cd-rom plus some of its contents (ibid. p211).

Extract (used with permission) from A New Perspective – The Bible and Nostradamus by Eddy Pengelly, pp125-6.

My examination of these quatrains produced these results.

C1.q1 Estant assis de nuict secret estude
Seul repose sus la selle d'aerain;
Flambe exigue sortant de solitude
Faict prosper qui n'est a croire vain.

= To be sitting down in darkness. Secret study by oneself. In addition to pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air, a scanty quick blaze will come out of a solitary place; facts to pour out which should not be believed in vain;

C1.q2 La verge en main mise au milieu des branches
De l'onde il moulle & le limbe & le pied:
Un peur & voix fremissant par les manches;
Splendeur divine. Le divin pres s'assied

= the wand in hand put in the middle of the branches. In the water it drags the limb and the foot, and by quivering the handle, a fearful voice. Heavenly brilliance, the divine sit nearby.

C1.q3 (lines 1 & 2)
Quand la lictiere du tourbillon versee,
Et seront faces de leurs manteaux couvers,

when the litter overturned by the whirlwind and of their faces are sitting on the mantle.

…full translations given on pp205-8…
(snip…)
These first three quatrains…like the Old Testament's Genesis story (Gen 1:1-29) and the New Testament's Revelations account (chapters 4 to 7), explain aspects of how to use the Ancients cd-rom plus some of its imagery.

…Summary of Keywords…
(a) Secret study by oneself.
(b) In addition to pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air, the wand in hand put in the middle of the branches and by quivering the handle,
(c) facts to pour out which should not be believed in vain.
(d) To be sitting down in darkness,
(e) the divine sit nearby, in the water they drag the limb and the foot.
(f) Heavenly brilliance, a scanty quick blaze will come out of a solitary place,
(g) and when the litter overturned by the whirlwind,
(h) of their faces are sitting on the mantle.
(i) A fearful voice.

…Meanings of Keywords…
The "saddle in the air" = the cd-rom drive tray that protrudes out from the computer - literally, in the air.
"Pushing it back out of the way" = pushing the cd-rom drive tray back into the CPU tower case.
The "wand in hand" = the mouse and cable.
"Quivering the handle" = clicking the mouse and/or moving the cursor around the screen.
"Facts" do indeed "pour out" from the "branches" of knowledge from within the Ancients cd-rom.
"Put in the middle of the branches" = literally and figuratively clicking from the middle of this cd-rom.

In (d) to (i) Nostradamus relates a sequence of imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.

(d) = the initial blank black screen.
(e) = sitting above the water are the five gods whose limbs and feet are literally and figuratively 'in the water', as only their heads are depicted and not their bodies.
(f) the bright white sailboat cursors in the sky, plus the red 'fiery' flames of the windrose (aka. whirlwind).
(g) when the whirlwind is selected, the litter (of animal icons) is seen on the mantle - the screen 'turns over' and produces new images.
(h) on the mantle (earth map), some of these icons have the faces of the previously seen gods.
(i) = the voice of the male narrator.

See this sequence of Ancients cd-rom imagery here: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7a.html
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[Myriad]

Extract (used with permission) from A New Perspective – The Bible and Nostradamus by Eddy Pengelly, pp125-6.

Clearly, Nostradamus predicted the flush toilet, centuries before its invention!

"To be sitting down in darkness" -- Seated on the toilet, in privacy.
"Secret study by oneself" -- Reading a magazine.
"pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air" -- To use it to urinate, men push the seat (saddle) back and out of the way, raising it literally into the air.
"a scanty quick blaze" -- Turning on the light when going at night, a tiny (scanty) fixture which blazes with light.
"will come out of a solitary place" -- Afterwards, you exit the solitary place (bathroom or stall).
"facts to pour out" -- Upon flushing, the contents pour out, which is a fact.
"which should not be believed in vain" -- But one had better check, to make sure it all went down and you don't need to flush again.
"the wand in hand" -- The flush lever. Or perhaps... never mind, it's the flush lever, trust me!
"put in the middle of the branches" -- Toilet paper, made from wood pulp (branches), gets flushed (flows into the middle) too.
"In the water it drags the limb and the foot" -- The flushing water drags it all down, "limb" = wood pulp = toilet paper again, and "foot" = feces that can be up to that length.
"and by quivering the handle" -- It's sometimes necessary to jiggle the handle.
"a fearful voice" -- The deep gurgle at the end of a successful flush
"Heavenly brilliance" -- The shining white porcelain, or perhaps that bright bathroom light again.
"the divine sit nearby." -- Yep, we all use it.
"when the litter" -- The waste material we are getting rid of by flushing.
"overturned by the whirlwind" -- The swirling and suction of the flush strongly resemble a whirlwind, and overturn the contents of the bowl.
"and of their faces are sitting on the mantle." -- Users often make faces when sitting on the covering layer (mantle), the seat.

I submit that this is a far better match to Nostradamus's prophecy than the interpretation Edy_P has offered. Every part fits, and for many phrases (including "sitting down in darkness," "pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air," "come out of a solitary place," "to pour out," "the wand in hand," "in the water it drags," "and by quivering the handle," "overturned by the whirlwind") the description of a toilet and its use is so clear and accurate as to be undeniable.

Do you see my point, Edy_P? I could, just as easily and effectively, have interpreted everything in that same passage as an account of an Apollo moon mission, or the fall of the Berlin Wall. It's easy; all it takes is a little imagination. But it means nothing.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Slimething]

Extract (used with permission) from A New Perspective – The Bible and Nostradamus by Eddy Pengelly, pp125-6.

Isn't it quaint to see that a poster can give himself permission to use earlier drivel? I wonder how he managed it?

 

[Edy_P]

It must stay in context

I submit that this is a far better match to Nostradamus's prophecy than the interpretation Edy_P has offered. Every part fits, and for many phrases (including "sitting down in darkness," "pushing back out of the way the saddle in the air," "come out of a solitary place," "to pour out," "the wand in hand," "in the water it drags," "and by quivering the handle," "overturned by the whirlwind") the description of a toilet and its use is so clear and accurate as to be undeniable.

IF you take these three quatrains as an isolated example as you have done, then 'it all fits' (but not quite. One or two are a bit iffy).
eg. whirlpool instead of whirlwind.

But when you place your “interpretation” in context with the other quatrains that refer to the 20th century, then your interpretation is the odd one out. The ‘toilet’ concept does not fit in with the rest of the historical events and located ‘visual descriptions’.

On the other hand, when the “compact disk on a computer whose contents are viewed through a monitor when a ‘hand mouse’ is employed” are placed in context with the other Quatrains, Presages, and Illustrations made by Nostradamus – it is found that the contents of a named modern cd-rom ARE being described and illustrated.
(There is no reference to a flushing toilet on the named cd-rom.)

Isn't it quaint to see that a poster can give himself permission…..I wonder how he managed it?

If a person uses material without permission, it is a breach of copyright. The Forum rules mention this.
An author writes a book. A Publisher prints and distributes it. In most cases the Publisher as well as the author both need to give permission to use extracts.
I hope this answers your question.
Eddy Pengelly

 

[Slimething]

If a person uses material without permission, it is a breach of copyright. The Forum rules mention this.
An author writes a book. A Publisher prints and distributes it. In most cases the Publisher as well as the author both need to give permission to use extracts.
I hope this answers your question.
Eddy Pengelly

It really wasn't a question. I was pointing out to all concerned that you were quoting yourself, which is as bush league a move as there is. I hope this answers your question.

 

[arthwollipot]

Clearly, Nostradamus predicted the flush toilet, centuries before its invention!

Pwned!

 

[Edy_P]

New link bypasses broken links

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There are many broken links in the above posts.

The correct link for evidence for the above discussions is http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au

Extra information has been included, plus visual evidence starts on page two.

Sorry for the inconvenience,
Eddy

 

[Edy_P]

New look WBD website

I have finally completed amendments to my new look WBD website.

Extra information has been included, plus visual evidence starts on page two.

Link: www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au

 

[BlackKat]

Wow. Edy sure is persistent.

Did you know that the ancient Egyptians not only had CD-ROMs but they also had attack weasels?
http://www.ashmolean.museum/gri/chariot3.jpg

 

[Tokenconservative]

So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

I would dispute this, emphatically!

Everyone knows the Ancient Egyptian culture collapsed shortly after they invented the 8-Track.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

"Nostradamus did not prophesize and have mental visions of the future - he actually learnt of future events verbally from a time traveller and by viewing the Grolier Encyclopedia historical CD-Rom."

That cheater! I knew it.

Did Nostradamus ever say anything about how to get red wine stains out of white carpeting?

I'm pretty sure that'd be covered in any good encyclopeadia....

Tokie

 

[BenBurch]

I would dispute this, emphatically!

Everyone knows the Ancient Egyptian culture collapsed shortly after they invented the 8-Track.

Tokie

Nonsense. I have a Stereo Cassette from a much later era;

Here it is; Gotta Let This Hen Out! by Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians

QED

 

[technoextreme]

Hey! That's the entire premise of 'Stargate' that you are questioning.

Just sayin'

Stargate the greatest television series ever to be produced off an actual kook theory.

 

[shadron]

Nonsense. I have a Stereo Cassette from a much later era;

Here it is; Gotta Let This Hen Out! by Robyn Hitchcock and The Egyptians

QED

While digging around in a midden under the destroyed Alexandria library a video casette was found that is claimed to have the secrets of faster-than-light travel used in the expository phase of what was billed on the label (in hieratic script) as a lost episode of "Growing Pains". Unfortunately, the casette proved to be in betamax format, and no machine could be found to review it before the tape turned to magnetic dust. A great pity.

 

[Beerina]

While digging around in a midden under the destroyed Alexandria library a video casette was found that is claimed to have the secrets of faster-than-light travel used in the expository phase of what was billed on the label (in hieratic script) as a lost episode of "Growing Pains". Unfortunately, the casette proved to be in betamax format, and no machine could be found to review it before the tape turned to magnetic dust. A great pity.

Odd. So someone from the future returned to 1983, pointed a camcorder at himself, then went back in time to ancient Egypt and gave it to them, but forgot to give them a VCR, TV, and power source, since they obviously did nothing with it.

 

[shadron]

Odd. So someone from the future returned to 1983, pointed a camcorder at himself, then went back in time to ancient Egypt and gave it to them, but forgot to give them a VCR, TV, and power source, since they obviously did nothing with it.

Must have been a teenager. They're sometimes forgetful like that.

The point I was trying to make is that there is nothing obviously basic about CDs, as ubiquitous as they are in this time and place, that would make them an obvious choice as an all-round universal way to communicate. Unless it can be shown that we based our CDs on theirs, or vice versa, then they should be as incompatible as a Chinese scholar trying to make sense of a Braille book, or one written with ultraviolet ink in Rigellian.

Of course, the whole thing is a joke....isn't it?

 

[Apathia]

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