[Thread closed technical problem] 'Proof' of Time Travel

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World Breaking Discovery

http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/index.html

Someone calling himself EddyP, who appears to be one of the two authors of the site, has posted this link in the general discussion forum of Outpost Gallifrey (a Doctor Who website I frequent) and is busy defending its claims. Knowing how the folks here lap up this sort of stuff, I thought I'd share it with you.

I'll put a link to this thread on the OGF one - who knows, he may even favour you with a personal visit.

Enjoy.

There is a technical problem with this thread so it has been closed, however a copy of the thread can be found here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106169& for anyone wishing to continue their discussion.
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So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:
 
i chased around on the website but nothing seemed to take me to any of his argument....what's he actually saying?

there is good evidence that computational devices were employed way back...

A bronze Greek device constructed in around 80BC could be the world's oldest computer, joint British-Greek research seems to suggest.

The "Antikythera Mechanism" - consisting more than 30 bronze dials and wheels - was recovered from the wreck of a cargo ship off the Greek island of Antikythera in 1900, the Scotsman reports. Its exact purpose was unknown, although a previous theory centred on it being used to calculate the movement of the planets then known to the Greeks: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

The researchers from the universities of Cardiff, Athens and Thessalonika now believe they are close to cracking the mystery, by bringing to bear very modern X-ray technology which has revealed a previously-hidden Greek inscriptions which may confirm the planetary hypothesis.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/07/antikythera_mechanism/

but this wouldn't have been too similar to what we have today ;)
 
i chased around on the website but nothing seemed to take me to any of his argument....what's he actually saying?
AIUI, that certain hieroglyphs prove that time travellers returned to Ancient Egypt with CDs And that they were angels. Or something.
 
"Nostradamus did not prophesize and have mental visions of the future - he actually learnt of future events verbally from a time traveller and by viewing the Grolier Encyclopedia historical CD-Rom."

That cheater! I knew it.
 
So, the ancient Egyptians invented compact disk digital information storage media, and proof of this can be found... carved in stone.

Ooo-Kay.

:crazy:

Hey! That's the entire premise of 'Stargate' that you are questioning.

Just sayin'
 
Now here is a truly amazing site; the author not only postulates that time travelers went back in time and affected past civilizations, but he has identified the three specific CD-ROMS that those time travelers took back in time with them!
These 'time messengers' took with them a computer and eight compact disks (ie. multimedia cd-roms), including these three named ones

1.
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2.
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3.
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  1. Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean - Multimedia CD ROM by SCALA/E.M.M.E. Interactive, United Kingdom, 1995.
  2. The New Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia, Release 6, Grolier Inc., 1993.
  3. RedShift 2 by MARIS Multimedia, England, 1998.
Quite worth reading, if only for a chuckle :D Please note that this is hosted on the "World Breaking Discoveries" website -- not sure exactly why they want to break the world (seems pretty broken already).
 
An extra note here -- in regards to discussions of "atheism" and "skepticism", the people who are responsible for this theory, and this website, seem to be atheists (or at least agnostics), and state plainly that they believe stories of gods and supernatural visitations in the past are just stories about time travelers.

One need not be a theist to be completely woo.
 
Reference Article

I am picking up on the words “theory” and “believe”; and “atheist” which reminds me of a statement I made two months ago.

In regards to the people responsible for that website (ie. World Breaking Discoveries);

Negative connotations of the word “theory” include ‘speculation, idea formed by speculation, and hypothetical circumstances’.
Used in this manner it may seem that the information on that website is not pertinent.

The announced statements are not theories but conclusions.

A “conclusion” means
1). ‘decision based on facts’ such as ‘a decision made or an opinion formed after considering the relevant facts or evidence’;
2). ‘part of argument deduced from evidence’ such as ‘the portion of an argument for which evidence is presented’.

A positive connotation of “theory” is ‘scientific principle to explain phenomena’ as in ‘a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena’.

If the word ‘theory’ is to be used in relation to World Breaking Discoveries, then the latter is the correct meaning for the statements made on that website.
I chose to use the word ‘conclusion’ because ‘theory’ also has negative connotations.

In relation to the comment
the people who are responsible for this theory, and this website…(snip)...state plainly that they believe stories of gods and supernatural visitations in the past are just stories about time travelers
I wish to state that I do not believe the stories are accounts of time travellers – but conclude from the evidence that somehow, modern computer technology plus the contents of three cd-roms and some modern historical events are documented in ancient texts.

There is a difference.

Some people believe the world is flat, but it does not make them correct.
I do not believe it is spherical, but after consideration of the presented evidence from many sources, I conclude that it is spherical.
I hope you know what I am getting at.

Meaning of Atheist is “One who believes there is no God”.
source: www experiencefestival com/a/Athiest/id/70536 ..

A "theist" is someone who believes in a god of some kind.

And an "agnostic" is someone who doesn't know if god (or gods) exist or not, but doesn't care one way or the other.

For both atheists and theists - the common word is “belief”.

Belief can mean;
1). acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty.
2). something that somebody believes in: a statement, principle, or doctrine that a person or group accepts as true.
3). confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.

I personally find it hard to understand how people can ‘believe’ something without any proof.

I made the following statement back in July…
Religious people believe in God - without any evidence.
Atheists believe there is no God - without any evidence.
…then announced that two Australian researchers have unearthed definitive evidence that finally resolves the question "Is there a God ?"

- - - - - extraction used with permission

Religious people cite verses in their versions of their sacred texts to affirm their belief in their God. Those verses contain stories of ancient events that have been deemed to have literally occurred as documented. Those stories form the basis for their religion and their God, and are cited as evidence of their beliefs.
But this is a form of circular reasoning - "God is real because the sacred texts document supernatural events that can only be attributed to a god".

Atheists reject this idea and, without any evidence, claim those legends are mistaken or are not of literal historical events.
But this is also a form of closed mindedness, as evidence to show the religiously presented concept as being incorrect has not been shown.

Both groups present an opinion that represents only their respective beliefs.
But opinions and beliefs do not make something true or real.

Over a 10 year period, researchers Ronald Pegg and Eddy Pengelly uncovered the primary source of the stories that pertain to describe God. In their works they disclose that:
  • Evidence of modern computer technology is described in many ancient legends and texts
  • Documented 'Angelic Messengers' have been recognized as technological Time Travellers
  • Certain ancient people (now known as 'prophets') encountered these Time Messengers
  • The Prophets mistakenly regarded these Time Messengers as gods, God, or Angels
  • The prophets' stories of their encounter with 'Gods or Angels' became further distorted, and
  • those supernatural legends, myths, and stories became the basis for Religious Texts.
  • Over time, compiled pious texts were deemed to be absolute confirmation of a supreme God
and state:
The origins of the stories about GOD and source of the narratives portrayed in religious texts have been found.

The evidence reveals:
There was, and is no GOD - as described from religious texts.


World Breaking Discoveries has published reports concerning these discoveries on their website.
Link: www worldbreakingdiscoveries com au ...
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This may have been the article to which you refer by your words “the people who are responsible for…website state plainly that…”
 
I am picking up on the words “theory” and “believe”; and “atheist” which reminds me of a statement I made two months ago.

In regards to the people responsible for that website (ie. World Breaking Discoveries);

Negative connotations of the word “theory” include ‘speculation, idea formed by speculation, and hypothetical circumstances’.
Used in this manner it may seem that the information on that website is not pertinent.

When most skeptics use the word "theory", they are referring to the scientific definition, to be found here. in your post, you are referring exclusively to the vulgar use, which is inappropriate to the discussion.

In relation to the commentI wish to state that I do not believe the stories are accounts of time travellers – but conclude from the evidence that somehow, modern computer technology plus the contents of three cd-roms and some modern historical events are documented in ancient texts.

We are requesting the evidence. So far, none has been produced. Do you have it? If not, can you get it for us?

Some people believe the world is flat, but it does not make them correct.
I do not believe it is spherical, but after consideration of the presented evidence from many sources, I conclude that it is spherical.
I hope you know what I am getting at.

No, I don't. The planet is provably spherical. There is no question. Do you know what I'm getting at?

And an "agnostic" is someone who doesn't know if god (or gods) exist or not, but doesn't care one way or the other.

That one's wrong. An agnostic is not one who does not care. They believe that it is not possible to determine whether or not there is a god. Subtle, but important, difference.

For both atheists and theists - the common word is “belief”.

Belief can mean;
1). acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty.
2). something that somebody believes in: a statement, principle, or doctrine that a person or group accepts as true.
3). confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.

I personally find it hard to understand how people can ‘believe’ something without any proof.

Now I see where you're going with this. I must now challenge you on your sloppy definition of an atheist, as atheism has nothing to do with belief. An atheist takes the natural position that, unless proven, no god exists. That has nothing to do with belief. That is a stance that was later defined as a skeptical stance or one using the scientific method. Atheism has nothing to do with belief.

I made the following statement back in July……then announced that two Australian researchers have unearthed definitive evidence that finally resolves the question "Is there a God ?"

Whoop-Dee-do for you. I guess I must live in a cave as I have not heard about this revolutionary finding from anyone but you. Tell me, is there a reliable, independent news source also carrying this information? Or are you the only source of this fantastic information?

I took the liberty of snipping the rest of your prattle because it is not based on logic and reason. OK?
 
In relation to the commentI wish to state that I do not believe the stories are accounts of time travellers – but conclude from the evidence that somehow, modern computer technology plus the contents of three cd-roms and some modern historical events are documented in ancient texts.

If you check the other thread (linked above by grayman), it is not reasonable to conlude that any modern computer equipment was taken along. In fact, the computers were ten-year-old technology today - who knows how old they will be when the time machine is finally invented.
 
We are requesting the evidence. So far, none has been produced. Do you have it? If not, can you get it for us?

Ronald Pegg's original Research Booklets are available for free download via the "Ronald Pegg's RESEARCH BOOKS as PDF files" link on the PPHC Study Group's Study Area page.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/index.html

For a quicker, summarized overview, some of his research plus my own reports are available in E-Book format.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/ebooks/index.html

>"We are requesting the evidence.....Do you have it?"

Yes.

>"...can you get it for us"

I can only provide the links. It will be up to you whether you decide to read my reports.

The 'CHAPTER CONTENTS' and 'REAR COVER Details' sections via the ebook link may help you with this decision.

Eddy
 
Thanks for the links but they don't seem to back up what you wrote. I went directly to Pegg's website and he doesn't mention a single time traveler as much as claim that a CD or various CDs were available to several historical figures. Nowhere does he describe how the CDs became available nor how these people were able to access or record on the CD(s). I see very well that he is selling CDs but that's not what you wrote.

Curious minds would want to know why, if a time traveler, actually went back in time, said person would only bring back CDs. Doesn't make much sense to me. Anyway, none of the claimed discoveries have much importance to modern knowledge.

Your site is uninformative. I would have to buy your books but I see no advantage to that.

Thanks anyway.
 
Dude, I saw this, and I was thinking that someone used a quantum computer to subvert the speed of light.

Bummer.
 
If you check the other thread (linked above by grayman), it is not reasonable to conlude that any modern computer equipment was taken along. In fact, the computers were ten-year-old technology today - who knows how old they will be when the time machine is finally invented.


That's easy.

(1) They didn't want to risk their new laptop on a risky time trip, so they took an old computer and some CDs from granny's attic.
(2) If you can go back from 3007 AD to xxxxBC, you can stop off in 1995 on the way to pick up things you've forgotten, do a bit of shopping, have a pint or two.
(3) The time machine WAS invented in 1995, they just haven't got back yet to tell us about it.
 
What ???

Nowhere on Pegg's website is he selling cds ?

What do you mean ?

The claim was that time travelers had somehow recorded the Secrets of the Universe on a CD that was taken with them during their travels. Imagine my shock, horror and dismay when I found that the links were to sites selling CD's and NOT revealing said secrets! :covereyes

Please don't tell me this was just another ruse by those honorable woos at merely profitting from my stupidity! :D
 
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