arthwollipot
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Sorry for spoiling.
[Thread closed technical problem] 'Proof' of Time Travel
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Never mind. It might not have happened after all.
It amuses me that scientists (presumably some time in the future) would invent a time machine, and then pack up their circa-2007 desktop (sans power) and lug it into the past, along with:
A 25-year old encyclopedia (apparently their computer runs DOS)
A 22-year old historical CD (officially an antique)
A 10-year old desktop planetarium (like new!)
Perhaps they didn't want the ancient Mesopotamians to run Windows.
A 25-year old encyclopedia (apparently their computer runs DOS)
A 22-year old historical CD (officially an antique)
A 10-year old desktop planetarium (like new!)
Perhaps they didn't want the ancient Mesopotamians to run Windows.
BlackKat
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Obviously some of the computers brought back in time ran Windows as an OS.
This is explained by the historical images of windows with four panes of glass. If it was not for those time travelers we would have never had such windows develop, which means Bill Gates would have not had the trademark, which means that the time travellers would not have had such a shape to show the ancients which means that there would have been no four paned windows which means that Bill Gates would not have had the trademark.... Oh dear. I'm stuck in a loop.
Now if only I could figure out how a stick=a mouse in EdyP's wonderfully flexible translation system.
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logical muse
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It says this:
You'd have thought the time-travellers would take a laptop rather than a "rectangular computer box", given that a power outlet would have been hard to come by in ancient Egypt.
You'd have thought the time-travellers would take a laptop rather than a "rectangular computer box", given that a power outlet would have been hard to come by in ancient Egypt.
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Even if every comparison made were completely accurate and the odds of coincidence were so staggeringly large as to constitute some type of proof, why is time travel the simplest explanation?
Maybe the orginal "vision" were glimpses into a collective or shared unconsciousness and the people who made the CDs unknowingly tapped into the same shared memory.
Maybe the orginal visions were merely dreams with no inherent meaning and all the original prophets and scribes were reincarnated in late 20th century America where they worked on these CDs. Their souls might have been fixated on these themes and worked them into the CDs.
Maybe there is a God and He was responsible for both the original visions and the imagery on the CDs.
Maybe the people in the past astrally projected themselves into the future where they saw people using these CDs.
Aren't any of these explanations easier to accept than a society that refuses to send people back in time to prevent the AIDS pandemic, to install a worldwide early warning system for tsunamis, to influence key figures in the 1700's to take a strong stand against slavery and racism, or to do any of the myriad other things that would improve the lives of billions of people?
Maybe the orginal "vision" were glimpses into a collective or shared unconsciousness and the people who made the CDs unknowingly tapped into the same shared memory.
Maybe the orginal visions were merely dreams with no inherent meaning and all the original prophets and scribes were reincarnated in late 20th century America where they worked on these CDs. Their souls might have been fixated on these themes and worked them into the CDs.
Maybe there is a God and He was responsible for both the original visions and the imagery on the CDs.
Maybe the people in the past astrally projected themselves into the future where they saw people using these CDs.
Aren't any of these explanations easier to accept than a society that refuses to send people back in time to prevent the AIDS pandemic, to install a worldwide early warning system for tsunamis, to influence key figures in the 1700's to take a strong stand against slavery and racism, or to do any of the myriad other things that would improve the lives of billions of people?
No. You seem to be missing several steps in the research process and just commenting upon the later Multiple Attestation Criterion.
You have also picked up on the wrong premise, and linked it with a different conclusion.
The “search for matching imagery” as you call it was part of the later Multiple Attestation Criterion to see whether Pegg’s claim of ‘history from modern cd-roms being documented in ancient texts’ was valid
Between 1996 and 1998 Ronald Pegg found modern historical events documented in ancient texts, both at the surface level and in an encoded manner. That was his first observation.
When these claims were investigated, amazingly, more examples of ‘modern history in ancient texts’ were found.
If no supportive evidence from modern cd-roms or history books was to be found, then Pegg’s discovery would have been deemed just a coincidence. But supportive evidence WAS found and it was concluded that ancient texts do in fact contain extracts of actual history from specific modern history books. So we moved on to the next step – looking for more associated evidence.
Upon further investigation it was found that the common link between the documentation of future historical events in ancient texts was an encounter with God or his angels. It is documented in ancient texts that these angels used certain ‘books’ to show and tell the ancient prophets whom then documented their encounters.
At this stage it was proposed by Pegg that GOD’s Angels travelled through time and took the named printed modern history books back to the ancient prophets and told and showed them the enclosed information – as documented by various named ancient prophets. This was the first theory. The accounts in the religious stories themselves seemed to support this concept.
But this can not be just a ‘one off’ theory. If this theory was correct for the Old Testament, then at other encounters with angels or gods, there should be the same evidence of modern history documented. As I have previously posted - as well as historical events being documented in ancient texts, associated with these there were certain sequences of animal imagery cited (the ‘future visions’).
Pegg used his hypothesis to predict what additional evidence should exist only if the hypothesis is true. Basically, at all encounters with gods, GOD, or Angels, various combinations of animal descriptions (the ‘visions’), Persian Gulf War data, named people and the historical events – should appear in ancient texts.
He investigated over 25 ancient texts, and there in the ancient descriptions – often covered over by mistranslations or religious rhetoric – were the same animal ‘visions’, war, and future historical events documented. The “Visions” and “Signs” in all these ancient texts were found to be descriptions of sequences of imagery from at least three cd-roms – Ancients, Grolier, and RedShift2.
The discovered evidence thus supported his claim that “modern historical accounts and cd-rom imagery are described in ancient texts where ‘gods, God, or Angels’ tell the prophet of future things”.
The premise for the research wasn’t based on the idea that ‘the imagery and the events do match’ but ‘What supportive evidence is there that indicates that modern historical accounts in ancient texts as cited by the ‘gods, God, or Angels’ are not just coincidences’.
It was found that where modern historical events were documented in ancient texts, so too were descriptions of the imagery from the cd-roms.
The concept of criterion of multiple attestation declares that the more independent sources there are, the more confident historians feel about reconstructing the past.
This is the point at which you have been introduced to the results of the research. Many of the ‘matching’ examples are provided on the WBD website.
So on to the next step. Gods, Angels, or something else ?
Pegg found that some of the religiously described gods, GOD, and angels were not of a divine nature, but referred to the icons from the three cd-roms (the seals/doorways which were often depicted as animals).
This destroyed his first theory that it was GOD’s Angels who took back the modern books and compact disks.
The other ‘angels’ who are documented by the named prophet as specifically talking to and showing them ‘future things’ were therefore also not of a divine nature.
During his investigations Pegg found computer parts documented in the Old Testament, and when Strong’s Concordance was employed to return the mistranslated and misinterpreted Latin and Greek meanings back to the original Hebrew/Aramaic, WHY all this is documented in ancient texts was eventually revealed.
The conclusion wasn’t (as you call it) “an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched” but ‘why’ and ‘how’ the imagery and history from the cd-roms ARE documented in ancient texts.
The discovery of more than 30 separate cultural examples of ‘matching imagery with ancient descriptions’ throughout various eras was the supportive Multiple Attestation process of the investigations – not the premise of the research.
arthwollipot
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My mistake.
This may be running a serious risk of creating a critical mass of woo and causing the forum to implode. The code provided by the ETcorndogs can easily turn "stick" into "a mouse". Perhaps the time travlers were actually all part of the same ineffable scheme.
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Wouldn't it be nice if all the woos got together to create an alternate universe from all their collective works, left to inhabit said locale and left the rest of us alone?
Maybe if we pray hard enough, it will happen.
PROOF of Time Traveler's Visit to Nostradamus
I have uncovered the proof that the time travelers visited Nostradamus, and I know which DVD they showed him!
Look at the following Nostradamus Quatrain
The young lion, overcomes the older
On the field of battle, by singular duel.
Simba vs. Scar
Through a helmet of gold, his eye will be pierced.
The eye scar under Scar's mane, or 'helmet of gold'
Two wounds in one, then much crying, cruel death.
Scar gets scarred, get it? Then torn up by the Hyenas, a pretty cruel death.
I have uncovered the proof that the time travelers visited Nostradamus, and I know which DVD they showed him!
Look at the following Nostradamus Quatrain
Clearly Nosty was watching the end of The Lion King!!1!11!11
The young lion, overcomes the older
On the field of battle, by singular duel.
Simba vs. Scar
Through a helmet of gold, his eye will be pierced.
The eye scar under Scar's mane, or 'helmet of gold'
Two wounds in one, then much crying, cruel death.
Scar gets scarred, get it? Then torn up by the Hyenas, a pretty cruel death.
Speaking of Nostradamus
NOSTRADAMUS - The City at 45 Degrees Identified: Quatrain 97 Century 6
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/nd0.html
C1 .Q81 : D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis à part
and
Presages 69 to 72: WTC 911 attacks
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/2007g/homenos.html
NOSTRADAMUS - The City at 45 Degrees Identified: Quatrain 97 Century 6
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/nd0.html
C1 .Q81 : D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis à part
and
Presages 69 to 72: WTC 911 attacks
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/2007g/homenos.html
TuftedPuffin
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Edy, hate to tell you this, but Nostradamus's stuff has been confirmed as coded Protestant propaganda referring to events in his era.
Mashuna
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Quatrains match actual history
RE: "referring to events in his era"
No. This is incorrect.
Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.
The British cultural historian Geoffrey Ashe, in his 1999 publication entitled The Book Of Prophecy: From Ancient Greece To The Millennium (Blandford, Illustrated Division, The Orion Publishing Group, London), examined some prophecies from the quatrains of Nostradamus.
Twenty six that Ashe called Class A quatrains are ‘good’ ones that make at least one prediction that is open to only a single interpretation.
Twenty four Class B quatrains are ones that have possible fulfilments but where some details from certain lines are open to dispute.
On pages 133-152 he revealed that from thirteen quatrains – 45 predictions match to actual French and British historical events from around 1563 to 1793, and on pages 153-169 he informed us that from another thirteen quatrains – 55 predictions match to actual historical events pertaining to the French Bonaparte phenomenon. On pages 169-176 he summarized briefly the 24 Class B quatrains and their matches to actual historical events.
From a total of 942 quatrains, fifty derived over 124 historical matches. This equates to 5.3 percent of the quatrains of Nostradamus generating predictions that were correct and factual to ears after his death.
The Australian researcher, Ronald Pegg, has matched more described events from quatrains to events in the late 20th century – as have I (refer links via earlier post).
Eddy Pengelly
RE: "referring to events in his era"
No. This is incorrect.
Quatrains have been matched to actual historical events after Nostradamus died.
The British cultural historian Geoffrey Ashe, in his 1999 publication entitled The Book Of Prophecy: From Ancient Greece To The Millennium (Blandford, Illustrated Division, The Orion Publishing Group, London), examined some prophecies from the quatrains of Nostradamus.
Twenty six that Ashe called Class A quatrains are ‘good’ ones that make at least one prediction that is open to only a single interpretation.
Twenty four Class B quatrains are ones that have possible fulfilments but where some details from certain lines are open to dispute.
On pages 133-152 he revealed that from thirteen quatrains – 45 predictions match to actual French and British historical events from around 1563 to 1793, and on pages 153-169 he informed us that from another thirteen quatrains – 55 predictions match to actual historical events pertaining to the French Bonaparte phenomenon. On pages 169-176 he summarized briefly the 24 Class B quatrains and their matches to actual historical events.
From a total of 942 quatrains, fifty derived over 124 historical matches. This equates to 5.3 percent of the quatrains of Nostradamus generating predictions that were correct and factual to ears after his death.
The Australian researcher, Ronald Pegg, has matched more described events from quatrains to events in the late 20th century – as have I (refer links via earlier post).
Eddy Pengelly
arthwollipot
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Heh heh heh - this is a fine site to be making claims like that.
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