What you are saying has never been said by myself nor mentioned on the cited websites.
You must be visiting a different website to everyone else.
AGAIN - Nowhere on Pegg's website is he selling cds ?
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What you are saying has never been said by myself nor mentioned on the cited websites.
You must be visiting a different website to everyone else.
AGAIN - Nowhere on Pegg's website is he selling cds ?
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Ummm, I can't find a link to any CDs for sale.The claim was that time travelers had somehow recorded the Secrets of the Universe on a CD that was taken with them during their travels. Imagine my shock, horror and dismay when I found that the links were to sites selling CD's and NOT revealing said secrets!
Please don't tell me this was just another ruse by those honorable woos at merely profitting from my stupidity!
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Another woo promoter making money for nothing. Makes you want to change sides sometimes. 
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It's a bit obscure. You have to make multiple purchases then purchase the "study group" session I believe.
e-book sales
Esoteric Ancient Mysteries; Arcane Secrets Unlocked & Revealed
Visual Evaluation Study Group
I tried to find the 'visual' evidence claimed in the list of evidence and from what I see it is a list of, "buy my product and I'll reveal "the secrets they don't want you to know about" kind of scam patterned after a Kevin Trudeau kind of sales pitch. Bottom line, they don't want you to see the evidence because they don't really have any. They are selling their scam products by getting people to believe they have something they don't really have. It's an old trick.
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My bad. I went to this site and saw the Ancient Civilizations CD quoted over and over again and I mistook that for marketing. Edy_P is selling books on http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/ebooks/index.html. Where is a mod when you need one?
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I just recognized the scam. Seen it a million times. "Take my word for it, there is something fantastic here but I can't let you see it until you pay". The CDs are part of the come on, along with a whole list of "this artifact has that evidence from the CD". In this case it just happens they want you to buy all the preliminary stuff before you can get to the good stuff. 
Do you know that when you buy Trudeau's book, "The Cures They Don't Want You to Know About", the book continues to lead the buyer on? It says, "I still can't tell you...but if you subscribe to my website..."
Do you know that when you buy Trudeau's book, "The Cures They Don't Want You to Know About", the book continues to lead the buyer on? It says, "I still can't tell you...but if you subscribe to my website..."
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That’s what I thought you did.
The Ancient Civilizations CD is the source of the “visions” shown to ancient people – being the “future book” reported by Ezekiel, Daniel, and John as being shown to them by the angelic ‘messenger’.
No. You believe wrong ! You are all grasping at straws and coming to the wrong conclusions (for what reasons I do not know).
PPHC Study Group has been conducting ‘study sessions’ for years for people who wish to personally attend their study rooms. People can purchase printed books if they wish, but are shown the Ancients cd-rom presentation anyway and are personally able to compare the imagery with described texts they bring themselves (with or without PPHC-SG books in hand). This is for people in Australia only.
PPHC Study Group has just commenced “Evaluate Pegg” study sessions. Again, for personal attendance in Australia only.
“WBD Evaluation Workshops” are current and are for people who have read the four cited books and are up to speed with all of Pegg’s discoveries. Again, for Australian residents only.
The visual evidence for the WBD and Study sessions is what you see on the computer’s screen as the Ancients cd-rom is shown to you, because you have personally attended a study session. This is for Australian people only attending the study rooms.
Evaluate Pegg’s Claims: It works this way.
Pegg says that ancient text A (say the Bible), verses B, C, D contain a list of twenty animals in a specific sequence.
People bring their copies of ancient text A and locate the cited verses in which ever Bible or version they so desire (which are highlighted in Pegg’s books if people wish to purchase them).
The Ancients cd-rom is run, and the question asked “Are the animals as listed and described in ancient text A viewed on the screen ?”
People then make their own judgement as they compare the words from the Bible to the animals seen on the screen.
But all of this, is not relevant to people overseas or people not visiting the study rooms – as you can not see the pictures.
To overcome this, I have put this (and many other) examples on the website.
Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7g.html
Without attending my study rooms nor purchasing anything, you can see which pictures Daniel reports as seeing ‘in visions’ from the book shown to him by a ‘messenger’.
Some Australian PPHC Study Group members preferred an electronic version rather than in printed form, so the books were converted to E-Book (pdf) format. Thus the E-Book shop.
No one is being forced to buy anything.
In fact, the people who read the books (or e-books) are at a disadvantage.
On the WBD Website not only are printed reports given (similar to what is contained in the books), but the associated cd-rom picture is included so people do not have to personally visit the study rooms.
There is no scam.
Personal attendance study sessions have been, and are being conducted in Australia only.
Printed books are available in Australia only.
E-Books are available world-wide if anyone wishes to purchase them.
About five websites present most of what is reported in the books but INCLUDE actual pictures from the Ancients cd-rom.
What more do you people want ?
I have put all this on the website so everyone can, word by word, verse by verse, compare ancient descriptions to the content and imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.
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Come on Edy_P, this is a forum of critical thinkers.
There is a ton of vague gobbly-gook on the web site and in the end you get:
Here's your "free" come on.
For example for "free" you get 2 vague pages claiming a circle with a dot in the middle is a CD ROM. EVIDENCE of COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY
in ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHS
Then you get to a page like
this one.
More from the bottom line:
If this was real, you'd want to share it for the recognition, not publish this kind of come on with an offer at the end to get the real stuff after you pay.
There is a ton of vague gobbly-gook on the web site and in the end you get:
Here's your "free" come on.
Lots of pages, vague references, hard to follow, and I didn't see anything earth shattering.
For example for "free" you get 2 vague pages claiming a circle with a dot in the middle is a CD ROM. EVIDENCE of COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY
in ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHS
Then you get to a page like
this one.
More from the bottom line:
In other words, they supposedly have something but for the convincing stuff, you need to pay.
If this was real, you'd want to share it for the recognition, not publish this kind of come on with an offer at the end to get the real stuff after you pay.
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But maybe he includes a set of Ginzu knives if you act before Novemeber 1st! Posters like Edy-P are best ignored. Unless you like wasting your time AND money, that is.
No. As previously stated, the WBD website shows some imagery that is only available if you personally view the cd-roms. Internet visitors are shown some imagery that people who purchase books do not.
You keep bringing up the Australian sections of the websites (ie. PPHC-SG) that are relevant to only Australian residents as if you are missing out on something – then you complain that ‘items are being sold’. You also quote links to pages that I have not given to overseas people (such as the Australian Time Detective page and the Press Release pages).
To reply to your other comments would be repeating myself.
Thankyou for visiting my website. I am sorry you did not find it as stimulating as others who have visited.
>”Come on Edy_P, this is a forum of critical thinkers.”
OK then.
Please explain how Ezekiel documented at least 50 descriptions and/or attributes of the Etruscan Temple in his verses.
Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/2007h/nh_7f.html
Please explain how Daniel documented the 20 pictures/animals attributes from the Ancients cd-rom.
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/vc2.html
Daniel (OT, 600BCE, Babylon) and John (NT, 95CE, Patmos) both report that an “angel” showed them ‘visions’ and told them ‘future history’ from a ‘book sealed with seven seals’. They both provide particularly concise descriptions of those visions.
The Ancients cd-rom has seven iconic sealed on its main menu. When sections of the books of Daniel and Revelations are word by word compared with the said cd-rom, an exact match of imagery to descriptions occurs.
It could be coincidence, or it could be that Ronald Pegg has actually found the ‘future book’ used by the angel to show the ancient prophets their visions.
To me its simple. Either the images match, or they do not. To help answer this, I have provided on the WBD website pictures that can be compared to ancient verses – so that overseas people do not have to come to Australia and view my copy of the Ancients cd-rom. (Anyway, you will not all fit in my lounge room.)
Question 1 should be “Do the images match ?” – ie. use our critical thinking to analyse the presented evidence, then try to come to some form of conclusion based upon the presented documentation.
Let’s not keep side-tracking ourselves with ramblings such as do the Australians have to pay for books that we are unable to buy, or finding irrelevant pages on associated websites that stray from the task at hand.
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Why are you objecting to that only now? You have repeated yourself ad nauseam since your OP.
Stupid me. I went to both your links and was severely and, perhaps, mortally underwhelmed. The first is a "just so" story where we are asked to take your word on everything, despite the unremarkable "vision". The second is a textbook example of retrofitting if I ever saw one. All of a sudden, a map compass becomes four winds?
All this means is that you found a CD with sever portals. Big whoop. Now you're trying to retrofit this to ancient writings of your choice.
No, it's not even that. You've convinced yourself of matches that are not there. The writings and the cheap CD ROM are not in the least related.
So, are you or are you not going to offer me free Ginzu knives?
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So according to you and Pegg, Daniel and John get minute details correct from a CD ROM viewed on a computer brought by a time traveler but they only vaguely describe where they got this information from?
Can you point me to some description of a mysterious person wearing odd clothes with a box that has a magical light and changing pictures of a quality only the best artists could produce?
If you mean the vague description of “Visions”, then yes.
But Daniel exactly describes from where he got the information: A man named Gabriel stood near him. Someone else told Gabriel to explain to Daniel. (That makes two messengers). Gabriel came closer and spoke (to Daniel) about the visions and information.
Again at Daniel 9: 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel , whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
Not off hand. Composite descriptions are rarely given.
The “changing pictures” are referred to as ‘visions’.
The mysterious persons were religiously perceived as ‘angels’ or sometimes ‘elders’ and as such were apparently not questioned.
Computer parts were perceived and described differently throughout history:
Computer (box): Delphi Oracle, Sacred Tripod, Brazen Tripod, Urim and Thummim.
Mouse (and cable): Sacred Stick, Wand in the hand , Rod , Staff (of Moses).
Glass Monitor: Cauldron of Inspiration, magic Mirror, Crystal Ball, Box (of animals).
Compact disks: Akashic Records, Magic Circles (Nostradamus), Philosopher’s stone, Stone (black rock of Islam), Bowl, sacred hoop.
Throughout history, three were named: 1. Wheel of Destiny of Nations - Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean 2. Wheel of Time - Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia 3. Divine Eye (Eye of Horus) - RedShift2.
Cd-cases: Plates (of Mormon): http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/vc8.html
“wearing odd clothes”: Egyptian records (ie. Hieroglyphs and vignettes) show two messengers in white robes (lab assistants/ TTs ?).
Link: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/nvignette.html
Some ‘messengers’ appear in a “white light”: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/ex6.html
The Hebrew Oracle also referred to a computer system: http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/studyarea/ex5.html
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Wow....this is quite possibly the most obviously false time travel claim I have ever seen....so much so that I believe it is almost certainly a hoax. Here's my understanding of the argument:
"Content appears in both a modern encyclopedia of ancient civilizations, and in the civilizations themselves. Therefore, the civilizations must have had access to the programs!"
OR: Maybe, just maybe, the ancient civilizations program takes information about ancient civilizations...that it learned from study of said civilizations. Just a possibility.
"Content appears in both a modern encyclopedia of ancient civilizations, and in the civilizations themselves. Therefore, the civilizations must have had access to the programs!"
OR: Maybe, just maybe, the ancient civilizations program takes information about ancient civilizations...that it learned from study of said civilizations. Just a possibility.
Short answer version
Short answer version
Pegg says that descriptions found in their ancient texts from over 25 cultures and time eras match to the imagery from three cd-roms.
When compared – there is no match of imagery.
Pegg says that he located the biblical End Time Signs as events in history books.
When compared – the events do not match.
Short answer version
Pegg says that descriptions found in their ancient texts from over 25 cultures and time eras match to the imagery from three cd-roms.
When compared – there is no match of imagery.
Pegg says that he located the biblical End Time Signs as events in history books.
When compared – the events do not match.
Long answer version
Long answer version
My research ? Pegg’s Research ? Some of it ? Pegg’s conclusions ? My Conclusions ?
Pegg first found that certain biblical accounts that have NOT been verified by external historical references (ie. only the Bible says events X, Y & Z occurred) are descriptions of certain modern historical events (particularly the 1990/1991 Persian Gulf War).
In other words, he found the answer to a question that had previously not been answered.
He wondered why these had been ‘encoded’ or covered over by religious rhetoric in the Bible and noticed that similar accounts of these X, Y, & Z accounts are documented by the prophets Daniel (OT) and John (NT). Where these are mentioned coincides with the “vision” accounts and the showing of ‘future historical events’ by two mentioned ‘messengers’.
As previously explained on this forum, Pegg came to the conclusion that “God’s Angels” took back specific modern cd-roms to show Daniel and John in order to warn them of the future Religious problems.
The history and pictures from the three cd-roms do match to ancient descriptions.
As suggested by someone on this forum, I have made enquiries to have these matters converted to Statistics of whether it is beyond just being coincidences.
A composite of stories from various ancient texts provide an overview of “future history” and states SIGNS for when all this will ‘come to pass’. The “visions” involve a sealed book, etc.
Pegg says that he found the modern ‘book’ cited by the ancient text descriptions plus located the modern events known as SIGNS.
My research involved comparing Keywords from ancient texts with the sequence of imagery from the cd-roms (and to historical events) to see if Pegg’s claims were valid.
I haven’t added them all up, but there are hundreds of exact image matches from dozens of different texts as well as hundreds of historical matches to biblically described events.
I would have considered his claim invalid if during the comparison process most of the descriptions did not appear on screen (or in history books) as he suggested.
Simply put, if he said Daniel documents 20 attributes/animals, then I would expect to see 20 animals/attributes on screen from the cd-rom. If not, I would deem him erroneous. But there is a sequence of 20 animals/attributes on screen – exactly as documented by Daniel. The same with the historical events.
(See Criterion of Multiple Attestation comment at end of post.)
My conclusion differs to Pegg’s original determination in as far as he thought God’s angels took the cd-roms back in time, while I found within various ancient texts that those angelic ‘messengers’ were humans from Earth using technological time travel.
I don’t really know how to answer your question.
It is like someone asking “What evidence would you accept that would show the research and conclusion regarding the Earth being somewhat spherical and orbiting the Sun are actually invalid”.
There is no evidence to show it is invalid – because the Earth is ‘round’ and does orbit the Sun.
There is a whole lot more to Pegg’s work that just what has been briefly mentioned on this forum or even documented on the WBD website.
It all boils down to ‘what level of evidence does one accept in order to push aside five thousand years of (religious dogma and) understanding’.
It took civilization quite an effort to accept the world was not flat.
Maybe I am not explaining myself as best I could.
Maybe the other works of Pegg not yet mentioned nor fully studied hold the key to the type of evidence that you seem to require.
I will turn your question around somewhat.
Ancient texts tell of certain prophets being visited by messengers who showed them specific imagery and history from a future book.
The contents of that future book were documented by the said prophets.
The messengers said it will all be revealed at a certain point in the distant future – and gave particular dated events and time frames.
A certain war, astronomical events, and specifically named people were also given to the prophets as a series of SIGNS that will announce at that distant future time, when this will all be revealed.
In other non-biblical texts, the person who reveals this information is named and his domicile given.
Ancient texts state (by the way of quoting the messengers) that at least two witnesses will find these things.
Pegg is one of these witnesses.
Why are you finding it hard to understand that Pegg may have found what religious people have been expecting for over three thousand years ?
Everything he presented on his website fits in with what has been awaited – IF the contemporary concept of gods, God, and Angels who encountered the ancient prophets is replaced by non-divine messengers.
I will call them Time Travellers until further evidence shows otherwise.
Why have we concluded non-divine entities ?
There is no evidence to prove that gods, God, or Angels as described in religious stories actually exist or existed.
Pegg’s conclusion fills in most of the gaps and answers many ancient enigma.
Criterion of Multiple Attestation
“Put simply, whenever historians are trying to build up a picture of some event or person from the past, they begin by sorting out how many independent sources attest to that event or person. The more independent sources there are, the more confident historians feel about reconstructing the past. This is generally known as the criterion of multiple attestation.”
Ronald Pegg adhered to this method and found the imagery from certain modern cd-roms described in over 25 different and diverse cultures spanning over 5,000 years.
In another post I explained this as “context”.
Long answer version
My research ? Pegg’s Research ? Some of it ? Pegg’s conclusions ? My Conclusions ?
Pegg first found that certain biblical accounts that have NOT been verified by external historical references (ie. only the Bible says events X, Y & Z occurred) are descriptions of certain modern historical events (particularly the 1990/1991 Persian Gulf War).
In other words, he found the answer to a question that had previously not been answered.
He wondered why these had been ‘encoded’ or covered over by religious rhetoric in the Bible and noticed that similar accounts of these X, Y, & Z accounts are documented by the prophets Daniel (OT) and John (NT). Where these are mentioned coincides with the “vision” accounts and the showing of ‘future historical events’ by two mentioned ‘messengers’.
As previously explained on this forum, Pegg came to the conclusion that “God’s Angels” took back specific modern cd-roms to show Daniel and John in order to warn them of the future Religious problems.
The history and pictures from the three cd-roms do match to ancient descriptions.
As suggested by someone on this forum, I have made enquiries to have these matters converted to Statistics of whether it is beyond just being coincidences.
A composite of stories from various ancient texts provide an overview of “future history” and states SIGNS for when all this will ‘come to pass’. The “visions” involve a sealed book, etc.
Pegg says that he found the modern ‘book’ cited by the ancient text descriptions plus located the modern events known as SIGNS.
My research involved comparing Keywords from ancient texts with the sequence of imagery from the cd-roms (and to historical events) to see if Pegg’s claims were valid.
I haven’t added them all up, but there are hundreds of exact image matches from dozens of different texts as well as hundreds of historical matches to biblically described events.
I would have considered his claim invalid if during the comparison process most of the descriptions did not appear on screen (or in history books) as he suggested.
Simply put, if he said Daniel documents 20 attributes/animals, then I would expect to see 20 animals/attributes on screen from the cd-rom. If not, I would deem him erroneous. But there is a sequence of 20 animals/attributes on screen – exactly as documented by Daniel. The same with the historical events.
(See Criterion of Multiple Attestation comment at end of post.)
My conclusion differs to Pegg’s original determination in as far as he thought God’s angels took the cd-roms back in time, while I found within various ancient texts that those angelic ‘messengers’ were humans from Earth using technological time travel.
I don’t really know how to answer your question.
It is like someone asking “What evidence would you accept that would show the research and conclusion regarding the Earth being somewhat spherical and orbiting the Sun are actually invalid”.
There is no evidence to show it is invalid – because the Earth is ‘round’ and does orbit the Sun.
There is a whole lot more to Pegg’s work that just what has been briefly mentioned on this forum or even documented on the WBD website.
It all boils down to ‘what level of evidence does one accept in order to push aside five thousand years of (religious dogma and) understanding’.
It took civilization quite an effort to accept the world was not flat.
Maybe I am not explaining myself as best I could.
Maybe the other works of Pegg not yet mentioned nor fully studied hold the key to the type of evidence that you seem to require.
I will turn your question around somewhat.
Ancient texts tell of certain prophets being visited by messengers who showed them specific imagery and history from a future book.
The contents of that future book were documented by the said prophets.
The messengers said it will all be revealed at a certain point in the distant future – and gave particular dated events and time frames.
A certain war, astronomical events, and specifically named people were also given to the prophets as a series of SIGNS that will announce at that distant future time, when this will all be revealed.
In other non-biblical texts, the person who reveals this information is named and his domicile given.
Ancient texts state (by the way of quoting the messengers) that at least two witnesses will find these things.
Pegg is one of these witnesses.
Why are you finding it hard to understand that Pegg may have found what religious people have been expecting for over three thousand years ?
Everything he presented on his website fits in with what has been awaited – IF the contemporary concept of gods, God, and Angels who encountered the ancient prophets is replaced by non-divine messengers.
I will call them Time Travellers until further evidence shows otherwise.
Why have we concluded non-divine entities ?
There is no evidence to prove that gods, God, or Angels as described in religious stories actually exist or existed.
Pegg’s conclusion fills in most of the gaps and answers many ancient enigma.
Criterion of Multiple Attestation
“Put simply, whenever historians are trying to build up a picture of some event or person from the past, they begin by sorting out how many independent sources attest to that event or person. The more independent sources there are, the more confident historians feel about reconstructing the past. This is generally known as the criterion of multiple attestation.”
Ronald Pegg adhered to this method and found the imagery from certain modern cd-roms described in over 25 different and diverse cultures spanning over 5,000 years.
In another post I explained this as “context”.
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Allow me to step in before things get ugly.
In other words, if there was no match, this would be evidence that Pegg's analysis was incorrect.
Again, if there is no match of events, then the analysis was incorrect.
However, I do not consider this to be valid since the research was based on the fact that the imagery and the events do match. This was the premise on which the research was based. The conclusion was an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched.
So, Edy_P, I don't think that these would be reasonable criteria for deciding that the research is invalid.
Being totally kooky - that is reasonable criteria for deciding that the research is invalid.
In other words, if there was no match, this would be evidence that Pegg's analysis was incorrect.
Again, if there is no match of events, then the analysis was incorrect.
However, I do not consider this to be valid since the research was based on the fact that the imagery and the events do match. This was the premise on which the research was based. The conclusion was an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched.
So, Edy_P, I don't think that these would be reasonable criteria for deciding that the research is invalid.
Being totally kooky - that is reasonable criteria for deciding that the research is invalid.
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