Thomas Jefferson's admiration and financial support of Christianity

[Ducky]

No, I never learned the word "skeptical" and "deny" are synonyms in college. What class did you learn that in?

Ok, let's play that word game, ace. Here you go:

skep·ti·cal /ˈskɛptɪkəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[skep-ti-kuhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. inclined to skepticism; having doubt: a skeptical young woman.
2. showing doubt: a skeptical smile.
3. denying or questioning the tenets of a religion: a skeptical approach to the nature of miracles.
4. (initial capital letter) of or pertaining to Skeptics or Skepticism.

and:

de·ny (dĭ-nī') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. de·nied, de·ny·ing, de·nies

1. To declare untrue; contradict.
2. To refuse to believe; reject.
3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
4.
1. To decline to grant or allow; refuse: deny the student's request; denied the prisoner food or water.
2. To give a refusal to; turn down or away: The protesters were determined not to be denied.
3. To restrain (oneself) especially from indulgence in pleasures.

Now, no one said those words are synonyms, however as you can see from the definition they certainly can be used in a fashion to state the same idea, can't they?

Now, how about you address the fact that every site or source you have posted is factually inaccurate, and some spread flat out falsehoods, as has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread.

 

[fuelair]

No, I never learned the word "skeptical" and "deny" are synonyms in college. What class did you learn that in?

He did not say they were synonyms - but producing equivalencies whre another did not use them as such is typical of poor research/interpretation skills.

 

[fuelair]

Apologies - I thought his was the last one when I responded and, there you had gone and already slapped him down in much more detail!!

 

[DOC]

Ok, let's play that word game, ace. Here you go:



and:




Now, no one said those words are synonyms, however as you can see from the definition they certainly can be used in a fashion to state the same idea, can't they?

Now, how about you address the fact that every site or source you have posted is factually inaccurate, and some spread flat out falsehoods, as has been repeatedly pointed out in this thread.

I still maintain that nowhere in the Jefferson Library site do they "deny" the quote (not tenets of a religion) is genuine. They just say they are skeptical of its authenticity, and thus they (once again, whoever they are) would disagree with the position of James Hutson ( the Chief of the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress).

Regarding your last paragraph, I'm just putting information out there. You and everyone else can read it and make your own conclusions. Jefferson believed he was a Christian and I will give you proof of this fact within a week. And he practiced his beliefs as a Christian by going to church services at the House of Representatives. Even Wiki admits to him going to church services in the H of R.

 

[Cleon]

Regarding your last paragraph, I'm just putting information out there.

No, you're not. You're spewing out rumors, half-truths, and lies. That's not "information," that's "propaganda."

Jefferson believed he was a Christian and I will give you proof of this fact within a week.

Ooh! Ooh! Is it going to be as good as the rest of your "proof?"

 

[sackett]

The complete works of Thomas Jefferson are like the Bible: If you rummage around in them enough, you can find a quote that supports almost anything. Same with the complete works of Lenin, I'm told.

 

[Ducky]

I still maintain that nowhere in the Jefferson Library site do they "deny" the quote (not tenets of a religion) is genuine. They just say they are skeptical of its authenticity, and thus they (once again, whoever they are) would disagree with the position of James Hutson ( the Chief of the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress).

And I still maintain that functionally that is the same thing. In a professional setting someone saying they wouldn't use a quote because they find it's source to be suspect is tantamount to denying that quote is genuine.

Regarding your last paragraph, I'm just putting information out there. You and everyone else can read it and make your own conclusions.

Your agenda is clear, and your "I'm just putting things out there" tactic is mealy-mouthed and intellectually dishonest.

Jefferson believed he was a Christian and I will give you proof of this fact within a week. And he practiced his beliefs as a Christian by going to church services at the House of Representatives. Even Wiki admits to him going to church services in the H of R.

And once again you cherry pick one wiki sentence out of a huge section very clearly showing your position to be inaccurate at best. I've already shown your wiki cite to be out of context, and I don't have any expectation that what you post from this point on will be either intellectually honest or even accurate. But hey, you've not acknowledged one post refuting your claims yet, why should you start now?

 

[Tanstaafl]

Widdle feewings hurt? Then quit quoting fellatious "scholars" and telling us to waste our time dredging through the drek that makes up your troll-ridden, so-called evidence.

LOL!!!!!

I trust that was one of the three intentionals... But it should be added to the dictionary.

Excellent!

 

[DOC]

Many of you complain about sources. How about strait from the horses mouth, Mr. Jefferson himself.

IN a excerpt from a letter to Doctor Benjamin Rush from the "Writings of Thomas Jefferson" published by the order of the Joint Committee of Congress on the Library, Jefferson states:

[SIZE=+1]"I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he {Jesus} wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."
____

Now here we have Jefferson "admitting" he is a Christian... He implies that he believes Christ did not claim He was divine (which is false according to mainline Christianity)
But the fact remains Jefferson clearly states he is a Christian in his own mind. And when you think about it, that's all that really matters. And what do many Christians do -- they go to church services. And that's exactly what Jefferson did, albeit those church services were in the House of Representatives. If you think about it, and look at "all" the evidence, Jefferson is one of the last guys the ACLU and atheists should be quoting.

[/SIZE]

 

[wahrheit]

So you all complain about sources. How about strait from the horses mouth, Mr. Jefferson himself.

IN a excerpt from a letter to Doctor Benjamin Rush from the "Writings of Thomas Jefferson" published by the order of the Joint Committee of Congress on the Library, Jefferson states:

[SIZE=+1]"I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he {Jesus} wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."
____

Now here we have Jefferson "admitting" he is a Christian... He implies that he believes Christ did not claim He was divine (which is false according to mainline Christianity)
But the fact remains Jefferson clearly states he is a Christian in his own mind. And when you think about it, that's all that really matters. And what do many Christians do -- they go to church services. And that's exactly what Jefferson did, albeit those church services were in the House of Representatives. If you think about it, Jefferson is one of the last guys the ACLU and atheists should be quoting.

[/SIZE]

*yawn*

Since you seem to ignore every post made on 7 pages, but instead continue to cherry pick plus adding your totally flawed and ridiculous logic (Jefferson -> Christian -> church every sunday -> bible thumping christian -> ACLU sucks -> one nation under god -> atheists go to hell) I am inclined to unsubscribe from this thread.

 

[Ladewig]

*yawn*

Since you seem to ignore every post made on 7 pages, but instead continue to cherry pick plus adding your totally flawed and ridiculous logic (Jefferson -> Christian -> church every sunday -> bible thumping christian -> ACLU sucks -> one nation under god -> atheists go to hell) I am inclined to unsubscribe from this thread.

seconded

 

[Cleon]

Wei.

 

[Ossai]

Ah, come on, DOC is clearly on the run. Every source he has quoted has been thoroughly refuted. Every quote he has posted has either been shown to be out of context or a flat out lie. He has resorted to large font. If you keep this going he’ll start posting in bold, multicolor fonts and start claiming persecution (wait he’s already claiming that).

Oh, and the real Jefferson links posted have been interesting.

 

[Cleon]

Ossai, you mean like talking about Hellfire?

 

[wahrheit]

What was his name, 1 in christ? At least that's the guy I remember who loved bold, red copy.

 

[Cleon]

That's the dude.

 

[Ducky]

Many of you complain about sources. How about strait from the horses mouth, Mr. Jefferson himself.

IN a excerpt from a letter to Doctor Benjamin Rush from the "Writings of Thomas Jefferson" published by the order of the Joint Committee of Congress on the Library, Jefferson states:

[SIZE=+1]"I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he {Jesus} wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."
____

Now here we have Jefferson "admitting" he is a Christian... He implies that he believes Christ did not claim He was divine (which is false according to mainline Christianity)
But the fact remains Jefferson clearly states he is a Christian in his own mind. And when you think about it, that's all that really matters. And what do many Christians do -- they go to church services. And that's exactly what Jefferson did, albeit those church services were in the House of Representatives. If you think about it, and look at "all" the evidence, Jefferson is one of the last guys the ACLU and atheists should be quoting.

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And without the divinity of Jesus, he's simply finding the moral teachings alone of Jesus compelling much like I might find the moral teachings of Confucius interesting. It doesn't, as you have clearly pointed out, mean he is a christian, given that he does not subscribe to the basic tenants of Christ's divinity, or resurrection. Therefore, while he uses the term "Christian" it no more means he is a Christian in the sense you mean it than using the term "scholar" to describe you is accurate.

So, adding to the list of words you can't use properly is the following:

Strait, straight
Your, you're
Their, they're
Lose, loose

I can't wait to see what other words your college education failed to help you understand, especially since now you prefer to post in 72 font size for all to see.

 

[DOC]

And without the divinity of Jesus, he's simply finding the moral teachings alone of Jesus compelling much like I might find the moral teachings of Confucius interesting. It doesn't, as you have clearly pointed out, mean he is a christian, given that he does not subscribe to the basic tenants of Christ's divinity, or resurrection. Therefore, while he uses the term "Christian" it no more means he is a Christian in the sense you mean it than using the term "scholar" to describe you is accurate.

So, adding to the list of words you can't use properly is the following:

Strait, straight
Your, you're
Their, they're
Lose, loose

I can't wait to see what other words your college education failed to help you understand, especially since now you prefer to post in 72 font size for all to see.

If you do like the teachings of Confucius I bet you never called yourself a Confucian like Jefferson called himself a Christian. And I don't think Confucians have weekly services, but if they did, I have a feeling you wouldn't go every week like Jefferson went to church services in the House of Representatives.

And thanks for the free proofreading; you're making me a much better writer so that I'll be able to get out my message much more clearly in the future.

 

[Ducky]

If you do like the teachings of Confucius I bet you never called yourself a Confucian like Jefferson called himself a Christian. And I don't think Confucians have weekly services, but if they did, I have a feeling you wouldn't go every week like Jefferson went to church services in the House of Representatives.

Other than 1 sentence in a wiki article, what is your source that he attended weekly services? Also, you would be wrong, I did in two different comparitive religion papers in college call myself a confuscian. However, it is irrelevant what I would call myself or do, as the focus here is Jefferson, and the vast majority of scholars confirm he was a deist, not a christian. Even if he were to refer to himself as a Christian, you simply ignore the fact that the Jefferson Bible was something that completely stripped anything of the divinity or miraculous of Jesus out of the NT, leaving only common sense teachings regarding real world experience. This activity does not mean he is a christian at all, as that would require belief in the resurrection and divinity of Jesus. Instead, it would more aptly label him as a scholar interested in Jesus as a person, not as god. Therefore your entire premise is flawed, and again you are left with nothing but the platitudes you have been spoon fed by your creationist websites, and Dr. Kennedy who has shown himself to be uninsterested in accurate history.

And thanks for the free proofreading; you're making me a much better writer so that I'll be able to get out my message much more clearly in the future.

A college graduate such as yourself should not make the mistakes I keep pointing out. It lends itself as evidence either of you not being a college graduate, or one that refused to learn anything while there.

 

[fuelair]

LOL!!!!!

I trust that was one of the three intentionals... But it should be added to the dictionary.

Excellent!

Thank you, it was my attempt to brighten peoples' day a little! Glad it worked!!